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Valve Is Working on Another Extension to Help in Direct3D-over-Vulkan

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Re: Valve Is Working on Another Extension to Help in Direct3D-over-Vulkan

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Post by oseityphelysiol »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #105

I've fascinated with what Steam is doing for gaming on Linux. We'd been moving at a slow pace for years, and suddenly, we're jumping in strides. I'm likewise fascinated about how terrible Steam's CLIENT works on Linux. Like, no hidpi support, (it's just blurry), notifications don't work, and lots of other stuff is broken. Sometimes closing a popup closes the main window, but only for _some_ kinds of popups. It also o…

That's because they're working on Linux support, they don't care about Linux desktop. Steam os is based on Linux, but it would be naive to think they put much work in supporting Linux desktop, since the market share is neglibe.

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Post by sumtechguy »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #108
coldpie wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is nice and all but they need to fix things like alt-tabbing in an out of a game. This is super hard to get right. It's somewhat wonky on Windows to begin with (we have found plenty of games where it's broken on Windows), and then you have to factor in that X doesn't work the same way, and there are a hundred different window managers, which all work different ways. It should be significantly improved in 5.13,…

> This is super hard to get right. Not _really_. The issue is that games are trying to do god-knows-what when they lose focus. In reality, they just need to ignore this happening. Regular applications handle losing focus just fine, and games would too -- unless you try to do magic funky stuff when you lose focus (my guess is that they do this to work around funky WM issues on window that don't exist on Linux).

The thing is (as a mostly windows gamer here) it is not consistent in windows really either. Then on top of that many of the companies that made these games went basically defunct years ago and some publisher is just selling them and cutting a check to some other company that is a shell corp for something else. You are correct on what should happen to the game. But some programs do need to react to lose focus. So for it to 'ignore' it there would need to be a setting for it (and per program). Which could even cause side effects in that game because they just plain got it wrong.

I have had in the past month seen black screen on return. No controls after return. Does not tab out at all. There are other variations. Most games do work. But some dont. My wife plays dont starve quite a bit and that game is kind of flakey in its external behavior (once in game you are fine). One bug she is dealing with is in some cases it takes 30+ mins to get in game with new settings on a fairly beefy new computer.

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Post by ivanceras »

mosselman wrote: post #2

Valve is doing god’s work when it comes to Linux gaming. I have played over 40 hours of GTA V without many troubles. The game looks great and performs great. So glad I could get rid of my windows install.

I still have input lag experience with GTA V on linux despite using new graphics card. The only immediate solution I've found is to play in windowed mode. All other games are playing nicely (ie: Witcher 3, No man's sky).

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

pjmlp wrote: post #95
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #75

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> Steam itself is not necessary and is just another system to lure users and developers into a Vendor Lock-In This ignores the history of how Steam came about in the first place. The PC gaming industry was basically dying because physical distribution was expensive, which made the games expensive too, so a lot of users just pirated games (by downloading them from the internet) because it was easier. Valve recognized…

Yet here I am, playing PC games while keeping my PC Steam free.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Of course you can play games without Steam. But I think it is disingenuous to characterize Steam as "just another system to lure users and developers into a Vendor Lock-In" when Valve has seemingly not put any effort whatsoever into locking in anyone despite their unquestioned market dominance.

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Post by Kaze404 »

kungtotte wrote: post #32
ricardo81 wrote: post #30

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I bought Civ 6 for Linux purely because it was available on Linux. Bought from Steam. It does seem like they're pushing things in the right direction for Linux gaming.

One thing that's important for Linux gaming is that games played under Proton on Steam are counted as Linux sales, so publishers and developers get accurate statistics on how many Linux gamers there are. If the market is big enough, cross platform development is viable from the start.

How so? At the time of sale it's not clear how the user will play the game, especially considering only a few titles are available officially for Proton.

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Post by pjmlp »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #124
pjmlp wrote: post #95

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Yet here I am, playing PC games while keeping my PC Steam free.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Of course you can play games without Steam. But I think it is disingenuous to characterize Steam as "just another system to lure users and developers into a Vendor Lock-In" when Valve has seemingly not put any effort whatsoever into locking in anyone despite their unquestioned market dominance.

"Unquestioned market dominance.", not really.

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Post by pantalaimon »

larzang wrote: post #115
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #105

I've fascinated with what Steam is doing for gaming on Linux. We'd been moving at a slow pace for years, and suddenly, we're jumping in strides. I'm likewise fascinated about how terrible Steam's CLIENT works on Linux. Like, no hidpi support, (it's just blurry), notifications don't work, and lots of other stuff is broken. Sometimes closing a popup closes the main window, but only for _some_ kinds of popups. It also o…

It also still requires 32-bit drivers, which were initially missing from the last nvidia update, forcing a rollback. I'm incredibly grateful for the work they've done on Proton, but it's definitely odd they don't seem to have anyone prioritizing updating the Steam platform itself.

A lot of old games are 32 bit only and won't be ported to bit.

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Post by MaximumMadness »

Jnr wrote: post #11
mosselman wrote: post #2

Valve is doing god’s work when it comes to Linux gaming. I have played over 40 hours of GTA V without many troubles. The game looks great and performs great. So glad I could get rid of my windows install.

If I remember correctly, Valve started doing this some time ago as an "insurance policy", when Microsoft spoke about locking down Windows (before they introduced Windows Store). It is amazing to see how far Linux gaming has come since then. 10 years ago almost none of the big games worked, 5 years ago lots of games worked after fiddling with wine config, and now most of the games I have tried work out of the box afte…

Does anyone have a good write-up on the history behind Linux gaming? Would love to learn more

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Post by HideousKojima »

minetest2048 wrote: post #17
ekianjo wrote: post #16

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if you can mount the Windows partition under Linux (ntfs) you may be able to link your Steam Library under the Steam Linux client, but you have to know that some compatibility issues will arise with non-Linux partitions.

Note that as the character ':' is reserved in NTFS, Proton cannot create its wineprefix in the NTFS steamapps/compatdata directory. To solve this, you need to symlink that folder to a filesystem that support filename with the character ':', such as ext4. More info here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Using-a-NTFS-di... https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/82#issuecomme... Windows and Linux can…

>I'm not sure whether this will work for games that have native Linux version though

When you switch OS it will reinstall the version for that operating system. At least that was the case when I tried about 18 months ago

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Post by himinlomax »

forest_dweller wrote: post #47

This is nice and all but they need to fix things like alt-tabbing in an out of a game. Many games just crash. I know it sounds dumb but sometimes when organising a game or using discord you need to alt-tab from the game to the chat app. This almost never happens with Windows unless the games are old. Also performance when streaming via discord or OBS significantly drops the framerate even on games my rig can play at…

Well you would have been right 6 months ago, but right now it's absolutely not an issue any more. Even pointer capture works right. Even on multiple monitors. Try it again with a recent Proton.
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