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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by devwastaken »

HunterWare wrote: post #423
devwastaken wrote: post #363

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When a market becomes a requirement for society to operate it no longer is allowed to hide behind that veil. It's intellectually dishonest to ignore the issue at hand and instead excuse it with a "well no one forces you". Markets are a force that shape how people can live.

This market became a “requirement” (which is a bit BS since Android ecosystem is still much larger than iOS, but anyhow...) because people voted for this system consistently over many years (again and again). They voted with their wallets for it when the iPhone was a tiny newborn dream and RIM/Nokia were king, they continued to vote for it year on year after Android was released, and they are still voting for it... a…

That's black and white argument. Products change markets over time, not instantly. There does not have to be a singular event.

"Voting with your wallet" entirely ignores what actual voting is. Whatever the original reason no longer applies, now the devices are an expectation for livelihood, safety, and overall communication. It becomes a public problem.

Having two choices is not choice. Google deserves the same regulation apple does. Real choice would be dozens of competitive and entirely independent choices. The nature of markets of scale prevent this from happening.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #469
zepto wrote: post #468

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The phone is yours and you can do what you like with once you have bought it. That is not in question.

The whole point of this thread is that you cannot unless it has a rootable vulnerability.

You man not be able to make it into a toaster oven either.

What you can and can’t do with it depends on your capabilities. Apple sold it to you as it is.

It’s up to you to decide what is possible.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by cbsmith »

zepto wrote: post #236
cbsmith wrote: post #105

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Some developers have made half a trillion. Others have lost probably a lot more. The problem with a closed ecosystem that capriciously removed apps isn't that you can't make money. It's effectively protectionism, with those allowed inside the walled garden having less competition and therefore an easier time taking profits. The problem is the risk.

Except it isn’t actually capricious. It’s really pretty obvious what kinds of thing Apple shuts down.

The enforcement is capricious.

I can't tell you how many conversations I've been involved in where there was discussion of, "yeah, but what are the chances this makes it through the AppStore?" and the answer is almost never 0% or 100%.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

_ph_ wrote: post #358
zepto wrote: post #317

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This is not an accurate representation of reality. Users simply cannot control their devices. No individual can no matter how skilled. Software complexity moved past that point decades ago. All we can actually do is choose who to trust when we acquire software. Nobody is forced to choose or trust Apple, but many do. Since choices exist for people who want to decide for themselves who they trust to provide software, t…

Of course users can control their device. Control doesn't mean assembly programming, control means to decide how they want to use it. I am not a car mechanic, I won't approach my car with a tool. Still I control my car as I can drive it to any workshop of my choice to have changes done. The car manufacturer has no say in this.

My car displays speed in kph and has no option to display it in mph. How do I get that changed?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by coded »

ZeikJT wrote: post #449
fxtentacle wrote: post #183

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I believe it is sustainable if you're willing to burn through disposable 3rd party developers. From my experience, it always follow the same path. Some promising developer gets infatuated with Apple's supposed ease of use and looks at the shiny aggregate numbers like $155 billion paid out to developers. Said developer jumps through all the hoops and builds a great app. Users love it, but since competition in the app…

I wish my city had a western-themed "hair saloon"! Curlers at dawn.

Hah. No hanged nails at high noon.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

cbsmith wrote: post #473
zepto wrote: post #236

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Except it isn’t actually capricious. It’s really pretty obvious what kinds of thing Apple shuts down.

The enforcement is capricious. I can't tell you how many conversations I've been involved in where there was discussion of, "yeah, but what are the chances this makes it through the AppStore?" and the answer is almost never 0% or 100%.

Almost all apps are not in his category.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #361
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #157

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The solution is to have a sound recording device nearby and record the call as soon as you hear it's from Apple. Or record the calls on your phone if it allows it. It should be a starter kit of any developer for Apple platforms, just in case, you know. (Recording calls from numbers you don't recognize as a habit is not that stupid. Who knows, one day it's a robocall, another day Apple, still another day some death th…

It is illegal to record phone calls in California without obtaining consent from all parties. If you ask Apple for consent, they will hang up. If you record the conversation without consent and shame them on the Internet, you can be sure Apple will sue. It is one the most litigious companies in our industry.

This is it. Go on record or shut up. Send an email or shut up. Don't tell me you tried to inform me of anything otherwise.

They didn't want to go on record for such an innocuous thing — why? Because they know a paper trail could hang them to dry in a court? Okay, now we've got an INTENT here.

What if I don't record them, technically, but put them on a speakerphone instead and let two to three reliable witnesses listen to the entirety of it?

Ironically, as far as I know, at least in some countries they record all their support calls ("for quality improvement") and you either have to agree to it or no support for you.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by gverrilla »

young_unixer wrote: post #459
gverrilla wrote: post #335

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why do you think game consoles are not essential to our society?

If tomorrow we wake up unable to play video games, we would be kinda disappointed, but our life would keep going normally (unless you're a game developer). If we wake up unable to access banking, communication or transport, our life would be more or less ruined, for everyone.

I think a lot would actually change if we had no videogames. I'm pretty sure suicides and crimes related to mental health would increase. But it's only my opinion - I'm not a researcher.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by harrisonjackson »

Osiris wrote: post #452
saagarjha wrote: post #326

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They may still be approved but I believe recent changes to the rules have made this behavior against the rules.

so all Expo apps will be banned?

This is against the TOS. Just because Expo enables it with their update's api doesn't mean Apple is okay with it.

> 2.5.2... "nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app"

Expo makes the OTA updates so so so easy it would be hard for any developer not to take advantage though :D

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