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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

As someone who has eaten vegan pizza, no, it's not, it's an abomination. Just make a veggie/vegan lasagna instead...

Marinara is vegan and is amazing pizza when done right.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I always wonder what the vegetable vs meat market would look like without subsidies. Imagine a free market where the veggie burger at McD is $1 and the beef one is $5. How many people would opt for the vegetarian option? Instead, in the market which we have intervened, it’s the beef that cost $1 and the veggie burger $5. Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables and in terms of resources and po…

> Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables The main issue with obesity is cheap sugar, and it comes from plants.

Lack of affordable vegetables is a problem in many depressed areas, the ones with more obesity per capita. This has been studied thoroughly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2789291/

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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The only sources I can find are NGO's with an obvious agenda. Just like the sources that say how much water is used for one pound of beef.

> The only sources I can find are NGO's with an obvious agenda. How is that a bad thing? Is the CDC untrustable because they have an obvious anti-disease agenda?

If they bend the truth to fit their agenda, then yes.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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> Many people have an aversion to something if it's called plant, healthy or natural. I don't think this is the issue. Nobody would eat something called "McMeat", it begs the question "What kind of meat?" and usually the assumption is the worst. When I hear "McPlant", what comes up in my head is eating a tree or grass. If you leave it to people's imagination, often what comes to mind is the worst not the best. This i…

The McRib is coming back again? (insert guy looking at girl meme, with McPlant being overlooked for McRib is Back)

Yes. I read on Reddit that pork prices are at a low and McDonald’s takes advantage by bringing out the McRib.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

That's the Cheese Mafia. The US dairy industry has a powerful lobby and sales operation, run in association with the US Department of Agriculture. Milk sales have been dropping for years, and the dairy industry has been trying to prop up sales by adding cheese to everything, with considerable success. Over half the Dunkin' Donuts menu has cheese, and they're changing their name to "Dunkin".

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

In McD India menu they already have a couple of types of veggie burgers to cater to the local population. However their patties have potato as one of the main ingredients and it is doubtful whether it will appeal to an average western buyer who needs that meaty feel alongwith protein.

McDonalds Australia have those potato+onion+veg burgers too, so it’s at least somewhat viable in the west.

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You are way overestimating the effect of subsidies.

How so? The cost of soybeans is a lot cheaper to make an artificial burger (once they get the R&D down) than feeding the same soybeans to a cow and getting roughly 1:10 the calorie weight due to energy pyramids. You can get roughly 200 kg of protein per acre per year, while cows it is roughly 19 kg of protein per acre per year. Of course this is talking future costs, for we are still perfecting artificial plants / pr…

Only recently, though, did it start tasting like meat. Or at least like fast food burgers. That's what Beyond Meat and Impossible have done. Impossible adds heme, which tastes like blood. They're both biochemistry companies.

Impossible burgers have no health advantage over meat, and much more salt, but they're trying to improve on that.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Plant based isn't always the best option for nutrition and environment. In fact with regenerative agricultural practices, holistic management and grass fed/finished cows, more carbon can be captures in solid than released. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is...

There is nothing in that link which makes your point. Veggies are an order of magnitude lower in carbon footprint per calorie than beef. Environmentally speaking there is no argument for eating beef

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I always wonder what the vegetable vs meat market would look like without subsidies. Imagine a free market where the veggie burger at McD is $1 and the beef one is $5. How many people would opt for the vegetarian option? Instead, in the market which we have intervened, it’s the beef that cost $1 and the veggie burger $5. Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables and in terms of resources and po…

Would swapping the beef out of a Big Mac extra value meal (super sized) make enough of a difference that it didn’t make people fat? Seems like you could attack that thing from a lot of different angles (smaller portions, not including a quart of sugar to drink, etc.) and get better results.

The WHO classifies raw meat as potential carcinogenic and cured meats as carcinogenic.

Animal fat is a huge contributor to all sorts of cardiovascular diseases.

Animal meat is loaded with antibiotics.

Yes, both products are heavily processed and you should not make them the core of your diet. But one of them is outright unhealthy.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I always wonder what the vegetable vs meat market would look like without subsidies. Imagine a free market where the veggie burger at McD is $1 and the beef one is $5. How many people would opt for the vegetarian option? Instead, in the market which we have intervened, it’s the beef that cost $1 and the veggie burger $5. Obesity is driven in part by lack of affordability of vegetables and in terms of resources and po…

Would swapping the beef out of a Big Mac extra value meal (super sized) make enough of a difference that it didn’t make people fat? Seems like you could attack that thing from a lot of different angles (smaller portions, not including a quart of sugar to drink, etc.) and get better results.

Putting US obesity calamity aside, a large fraction of Macdonalds' beef sold worldwide is produced in Brazil. Therefore not incentivizing water intensive, methane producing products, AND as a bonus further limiting the destruction of Amazonian ecosystems sounds like a great way to attack it to me?

I remember a great story from a Macdonalds executive in a reddit AMA, who mentioned they had a pilot for a burger recipe which included grilled aubergine. The pilot was really successful and they had great feedback in tasting sessions but then they ran the numbers and quickly realize there wasn't enough world production of aubergine to role out the new burgers in their target markets. That story although funny really gives an insight into the scale and volume of Macdonalds as a business and their non-negligible impact on the world food market.

For me most of Macdonalds taste is in the seasoning/sauces, if they can make a passable smokey flavoured bean/soya patty and suddenly have a ground breaking ecologic impact without even hitting their bottom line, I say more power to them.

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