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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Plant based isn't always the best option for nutrition and environment. In fact with regenerative agricultural practices, holistic management and grass fed/finished cows, more carbon can be captures in solid than released. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is...

Wait, is “grass finished” beef a thing?

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My grocery bill decreased when I started eating exclusively plant based foods. In most meals the most expensive item on the plate is the meat.

Plant based food are cheap because the overwhelming majority of government subsidies go to farmers and not ranchers. (there are some misleading charts on the internet that try to bundle school lunch programs providing milk as a meat subsidy)

> misleading charts on the internet that try to bundle school lunch programs providing milk as a meat subsidy

It’s not misleading. You don’t get milk without killing calves soon after they’re born and their mothers after a few years.

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I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

This is the same company that made a salad unhealthy [1]. I do not hold out any hope that their vegetarian options will be even comparably "healthy". It will be deep-fried crap, packed with additives and flavourings.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/04/mcdonalds-salad-has-more-cal...

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How so? The cost of soybeans is a lot cheaper to make an artificial burger (once they get the R&D down) than feeding the same soybeans to a cow and getting roughly 1:10 the calorie weight due to energy pyramids. You can get roughly 200 kg of protein per acre per year, while cows it is roughly 19 kg of protein per acre per year. Of course this is talking future costs, for we are still perfecting artificial plants / pr…

Are the soybeans they're feeding to cows interchangeable with human consumption soybeans?

Probably the logistics for feedstock is more lax when it comes to hygiene than you apply for food, but the plant matter is to my understanding the same.

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> It's also more accepting for people who have various dietary restrictions Except for those on a ketogenic diet.

I can’t imagine McDonald’s is a great option for that, anyway.

It's fine in a pinch having done keto for several years. But Five Guys or In & Out are better.

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How so? The cost of soybeans is a lot cheaper to make an artificial burger (once they get the R&D down) than feeding the same soybeans to a cow and getting roughly 1:10 the calorie weight due to energy pyramids. You can get roughly 200 kg of protein per acre per year, while cows it is roughly 19 kg of protein per acre per year. Of course this is talking future costs, for we are still perfecting artificial plants / pr…

Are the soybeans they're feeding to cows interchangeable with human consumption soybeans?

yea. Most soy is feed to animals which could have been used to feed many hoomans. I don't think beef etc are sustainable.

The problem is government is subsidizing animal product but not plant based product due to corporate politics.

https://gentleworld.org/as-we-soy-so-shall-we-reap/

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Oi but is eating bacteria and yeast - a living organism - vegan?

Well your mouth, gut is full of living organism and well, you inhale, consume living organisms all the time just by existing so I wonder how far this argument can go. As far as veganism goes I think bacteria is where they draw the line right?

idk bacteria aren't considered animals right? Also they don't have a nervous system, which a lot of vegans take into account. And also it's about minimizing harm rather than fully eliminating it.

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You are way overestimating the effect of subsidies.

How so? The cost of soybeans is a lot cheaper to make an artificial burger (once they get the R&D down) than feeding the same soybeans to a cow and getting roughly 1:10 the calorie weight due to energy pyramids. You can get roughly 200 kg of protein per acre per year, while cows it is roughly 19 kg of protein per acre per year. Of course this is talking future costs, for we are still perfecting artificial plants / pr…

1. Energy efficiency doesn't translate to costs of patty raw materials. Cattle can graze on uncultivated land, getting that portion of food for virtually free. There are other added costs to cattle farming outside of feed.

2. There are many costs to a cooked burger outside the cost of the patty.

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I make cashew "mozzarella" for my vegan pizza. Everybody I know absolutely loves it.

If you’re vegan because you’re against cruelty, you might want to reconsider eating cashews. They’re processed in facilities that are often horrifically cruel to the workers [1]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/nov/02/c...

well that's from 2013? Do the claim still hold? I don't think there will be anything left to eat for vegan ? Why

See example of oil. There has been too many controversies regarding palm oil and how it destroys orangutan habitat. But now if we shift to olive oil which many people did there was a news of some bird being killed for that?

So the question is can we have 100% vegan? No for sure

But can we try to vegan as much as possible? Yes for sure.

And I will not eat the cashews from those company that are responsible for being horrifically cruel to workers. Same for palm oil and olive oil. We shall try for best.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Plant based isn't always the best option for nutrition and environment. In fact with regenerative agricultural practices, holistic management and grass fed/finished cows, more carbon can be captures in solid than released. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is...

we don't have enough grass to feed all the cows.
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