Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

Post by gscho » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 1:36 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #194

woofie11 wrote: post #156

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This is exactly the point of preregistered hypotheses. Odds of conspiracy, with a clear hypothesis and confirmation of that hypothesis, go up drastically. That happened here. It wasn't a super-unlikely hypothesis either. We're talking about announcing a result a few weeks earlier versus later. That's not an unreasonable decision for a blue-leaning businessperson or scientist to make. What reduces odds are the number…

> That's not an unreasonable decision for a blue-leaning businessperson or scientist to make. Intentionally murdering possibly thousands of people (or tens of thousands? or what, who knows?!) for some assumed political gain is absolutely, 100% an unreasonable decision for any human to make. Intentionally delaying a vaccine would certainly be a crime, no? Not to mention absolutely abhorrent and completely evil. That i…

Post by adamsea » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #215

jason0597 wrote: post #186

Why are people in the comments so interested in the reactions of stock markets? I don't understand. These are the same markets that cheer when job cuts and redundancies are announced. These are the same markets that cheer when horrible working conditions are enforced (see Tesla, Uber, Deliveroo, etc.) Why should I take the markets seriously? It's just a bunch of rich people in the end.

Just because you don't find layoffs as ideologically palpable as shedding (some or all) the inefficiency incurred by covid doesn't make the markets wrong. There's potential for a huge gain in efficiency here. The stock market is fundamentally a long bet (if you want to short the entire market you invest in things outside it). Of course the market is exited at the long term prospects of that. Also, you're being a litt…

Post by jason0597 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

1337biz wrote: post #229

jason0597 wrote: post #186

Why are people in the comments so interested in the reactions of stock markets? I don't understand. These are the same markets that cheer when job cuts and redundancies are announced. These are the same markets that cheer when horrible working conditions are enforced (see Tesla, Uber, Deliveroo, etc.) Why should I take the markets seriously? It's just a bunch of rich people in the end.

> It's just a bunch of rich people in the end. The election is over. You can stop peddling bs. Thus far in 2020, Gallup finds 55% of Americans reporting that they own stock, based on polls conducted in March and April. This is identical to the average 55% recorded in 2019 and similar to the average of 54% Gallup has measured since 2010.

Post by kristjankalm » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

m12k wrote: post #69

"However, there are logistical challenges as the vaccine has to be kept in ultra-cold storage at below minus 80C." Does anyone know how many of the other vaccine candidates have this limitation? It seems to me that a vaccine with easier logistics might still end up having a bigger impact overall, despite not being the first - although that of course needs to be combined with the ease of production too (I don't know h…

Post by SpicyLemonZest » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

jason0597 wrote: post #232

School-Cotton wrote: post #207

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A lot of people are invested in the stock market, not just rich people. Essentially anyone with a professional-class job has a retirement fund invested in stocks, at least in the US.

The top 1% own over 50% of equity in the country. The following 9% own about 30% of equity. All in all, that's the top 10% owning more than 80% of the equity in the country. I disagree that a lot of people are invested in the stock market. Statistically, it's very few people.