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Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

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Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#191

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The RNA is read by human cells and the spike protein antigen is created by human cells; it’s not particularly viral RNA.

Okay pretty terrifying! How long does this random RNA stay in your cells?

I fail to see what is terrifying, exactly? Care to elaborate?

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#192
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At the time of writing (2020-11-09 12:04 UTC) the article uses "90% of people" and "90% protection" interchangeably. I assume it means "90% of individuals achieve immunity", rather than "individuals achieve 90% immunity". EDIT: See child comment re: Pfizer press release. EDIT 2: See [1] for said press release, which has more detailed information than the BBC article. [1] https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/pre…

It's the BBC, I wouldn't expect any scientific rigour from them.

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#193

Why are people in the comments so interested in the reactions of stock markets? I don't understand. These are the same markets that cheer when job cuts and redundancies are announced. These are the same markets that cheer when horrible working conditions are enforced (see Tesla, Uber, Deliveroo, etc.) Why should I take the markets seriously? It's just a bunch of rich people in the end.

It's a good indicator of what the world (well, people with capital) believe in. A very positive general market reaction might indicate that the news is correct. (Might.)

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#194

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Are you serious?

This is exactly the point of preregistered hypotheses. Odds of conspiracy, with a clear hypothesis and confirmation of that hypothesis, go up drastically. That happened here. It wasn't a super-unlikely hypothesis either. We're talking about announcing a result a few weeks earlier versus later. That's not an unreasonable decision for a blue-leaning businessperson or scientist to make. What reduces odds are the number…

> That's not an unreasonable decision for a blue-leaning businessperson or scientist to make.

Intentionally murdering possibly thousands of people (or tens of thousands? or what, who knows?!) for some assumed political gain is absolutely, 100% an unreasonable decision for any human to make. Intentionally delaying a vaccine would certainly be a crime, no? Not to mention absolutely abhorrent and completely evil.

That is not a "reasonable decision" to make by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#195
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At the time of writing (2020-11-09 12:04 UTC) the article uses "90% of people" and "90% protection" interchangeably. I assume it means "90% of individuals achieve immunity", rather than "individuals achieve 90% immunity". EDIT: See child comment re: Pfizer press release. EDIT 2: See [1] for said press release, which has more detailed information than the BBC article. [1] https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/pre…

Pretty confident it's the former, which if the case, essentially ends the pandemic in a month after it's distributed, given that the R0 would drop precipitously. The challenge will be reconciling this with the antivax crowd given that as the vaccine rolls out the rate of infection will come down correspondingly among the whole population (including the unvaccinated). They'll immediately claim that the virus is "going…

It's a 2-dose regimen, needs to be stored at -70C, and Pfizer already said they'll only have 1.5B doses over the course of the next year.

It's going to be a very slow roll out.

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#198

I'm feeling a deep-seated wave of relief that I never thought possible. Like waking up from a year-long nightmare. Thank God.

It will still take a long time before a sufficient number of people have been vaccinated that life can return back to normal.

True. But seeing a potential path towards making a sifnificant dent to the uncontrolled spread of the virus is a welcomed respite from nearly a year of darkness.

EDIT: I upvoted you because you make a valid point. Things will not recover overnight. But at the same time, we can still celebrate the hope of a promising solution.

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#199

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Except Zoom's, which fell from 514 to 410 in less than an hour. Really puts the nails in coffin of the whole "we're gonna work more remotely after the pandemic" narrative.

I don't understand, aren't future events supposed to be already considered in the stock price? It's not like a vaccine was unpredictable

It doesn't always work like that. It's clear to some folks that ZM will decline based on the fact that a COVID vaccine was virtually inevitable. However, there are lots of investors, mostly retail investors, that are willing to buy a stock without fully pricing that in. E.g. Tim's dad sees that Tim is using Zoom for school and decides it would be a good investment. Other investors are willing to buy ZM for short-term gain as long as they can get out before it crashes back to reality.

The same thing happened to Hertz, which even after declaring bankruptcy and almost certainly being worthless continued to trade at a healthy volume. In fact, Hertz tried to get approval to dilute and sell more shares to capitalize off the fact that people were buying their worthless stock.

Re: Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

#200

I'm feeling a deep-seated wave of relief that I never thought possible. Like waking up from a year-long nightmare. Thank God.

Same here. Congratulations and thanks to everybody who worked so hard on this.

Screw the media for pushing this and lockdown as the only possible solution. This will still take ages to be rolled out.
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