Super neat timing
Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection
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#182So, out of 43538 participants, 94 got sick in both groups (who got vaccine and who got placebo) together, and this translates to "at least" 90% immunity, with 95% confidence interval.
Who remembers statistics well enough to reverse the calculation and find out how many people got sick in both groups? There is a definite integer answer here.
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#183Great news and the markets are reacting very positively to the news as well which indicates to me this could be the beginning of the end!
The markets? Spare me. What are the markets, a handful of rich in banks and large corporations? They are neither wise nor competent, why should every news story be suffixed by how "the markets" (swt) react?
Oh sweet summer child.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
That cvoid will dissappear after the election. pfizer clearly had this data earlier and held it until after election
Citation needed.
No, there is no citation needed. They didn’t discover this data all in the last week.
There is some incremental work that was done toward confirming this result and typing this press release in the last week.
It’s not like they waited till last week to collect the data. They have ongoing surveillance of their entire study population.
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#185At the time of writing (2020-11-09 12:04 UTC) the article uses "90% of people" and "90% protection" interchangeably. I assume it means "90% of individuals achieve immunity", rather than "individuals achieve 90% immunity". EDIT: See child comment re: Pfizer press release. EDIT 2: See [1] for said press release, which has more detailed information than the BBC article. [1] https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/pre…
Pretty confident it's the former, which if the case, essentially ends the pandemic in a month after it's distributed, given that the R0 would drop precipitously.
The challenge will be reconciling this with the antivax crowd given that as the vaccine rolls out the rate of infection will come down correspondingly among the whole population (including the unvaccinated). They'll immediately claim that the virus is "going away on it's own" as opposed to the truth, which is that potential spreaders are being steadily removed from the susceptible population due to the vaccine.
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#186Why are people in the comments so interested in the reactions of stock markets? I don't understand. These are the same markets that cheer when job cuts and redundancies are announced. These are the same markets that cheer when horrible working conditions are enforced (see Tesla, Uber, Deliveroo, etc.)
Why should I take the markets seriously? It's just a bunch of rich people in the end.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, setting aside all the politics and silliness, the science going on around this pandemic is remarkable. Going from nearly zero (yes, there was a bunch of research from SARS-Cov-1, MERS, and similar to build off of but nothing like this) to a functioning, tested, and mass manufactured vaccine in a year is absolutely jaw dropping. Even if it takes two years to distribute widely, three years to stomp out a pandemic…
Although I want to agree, none of the companies started from zero. All these new technologies, the techniques, the principles were in development since years if not decades. Not trying to diminish the accomplishments achieved, great effort nontheless. Just saying nobody started from zero here, that would have been insane and frankly impossible.
> All these new technologies, the techniques, the principles were in development since years if not decades.
Yes, I first heard about intramuscular nucleic acid injection around the year 2000. At the time it was naked DNA and not RNA in a lipid nanoparticle suspension, but the principle was the same.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey I got decent aluminum foil hats I can sell you for $500/each. They are the only way to protect against deep state mind control rays :)
I don't think it's totally unbelievable that they waited until after the election to release preliminary results. Waiting a week or two wouldn't hurt the timeline, and would significantly damage Trump's campaign. If I worked at Pfizer that's what I would do.
It’s just such a fundamentally bizarre idea that I think it needs a lot more support than just “not totally unbelievable”. Most people don’t warp all their decisions around partisan politics.
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#189Why are people in the comments so interested in the reactions of stock markets? I don't understand. These are the same markets that cheer when job cuts and redundancies are announced. These are the same markets that cheer when horrible working conditions are enforced (see Tesla, Uber, Deliveroo, etc.) Why should I take the markets seriously? It's just a bunch of rich people in the end.
You should take the markets seriously if you want to make a lot of money. That’s why rich people are rich.
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#190Seems like a good time to buy shares in whoever manufactures industrial sized extra cold freezers.
Maybe also manufacturers of liquid nitrogen dewars.
this is the only investment I find possibly useful. Liquid nitrogen is so common in industry that I don't think there will be a problem sourcing enough just from spare capacity.