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About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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This is one thing that I hate the most about IOS. I like the polished look and the usability. To be completely honest, I don't need to have a shell running on my phone. I'm not going to write a shell script to automate anything on the tiny screen of my iPhone 8. iSh is an emulator anyway! But, like many other curious users, I don't want to lose the ability to do it. Especially when the hardware is a lot more capable…

People using these closed consoles can always run Linux in the browser [1] to fullfill those needs.

[1] https://bellard.org/jslinux/

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Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

Yet despite this, more Apple users have been infected with malware (Xcodeghost) than users of Amazon and Google Android devices combined, despite there being far more Amazon and Google Android users than Apple users.

I'm not sure that's true... Xcodeghost was a single attack that affected ~4000 apps and got it contained comparatively quickly, whereas Android devices get infected with virus-laden with quite regularly.

https://www.androidcentral.com/nearly-impossible-remove-andr...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/07/10/25-mi...

https://in.pcmag.com/security/138196/android-users-need-to-m...

https://www.foolproofme.org/articles/169-over-1-million-andr...

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-malicious-apps-infect-million-...

And this is just five articles I found from a superficial search.

Now don't get me wrong. I absolutely abhor the Apple's App Store and their overzealous security policies, but they work. I just don't think they're necessary to keep our devices safe.

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

No matter how I count, I see only two viable platforms for everyday use in a mobile device. Please enlighten me with the other options (and yeah, I do know about pinephones, and I even own one, but it needs quite a bit of love (not talking about it having an inferior hardware - since I would like to use my phone as a portable camera as well))

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Multiple app stores are no less secure than singular app stores everything else being the same. Plenty of people aren't okay with Apple's actions but there aren't exactly great alternatives. Nothing is stopping Apple from allowing other stores other than control and in app purchase profits.

I think this construction is not so simple. How would Apple let other app stores and make sure they are secure? Will they review apps stores? Will it be rules for what an app store should do? If so, the is this the kind of app stores that people want as alternatives: app stores which follow Apple rules? If Apple will not review app stores and let them be installed than how are they secure? What stops a malware to be…

Hmm, like disallow them in the AppStore but allow sideloading apps, even an alternative app store - and then put a large banner that it is insecure blabla that the user can ignore if he/she so chooses. Or allow it only with some developer mode for which a user would have to touch something n times , like it is on Android. So those who don’t know what is it all about can stay in their walled garden, while the rest can use their goddamn 1000 dollar phone the way they want

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Source? Can't find a HN submission regarding this, and the most I found via Google is this question on the Apple developer forums https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/127709 .

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273247 This has driven me insane in 10.15.7. If my ISP has intermittent connectivity, macOS starts beach balling. To prevent this I have to shut off internet. The catch? Shutting down the network requires suffering through multiple beach balls. Every single mouse click or key press invokes a beach ball. Everything goes away the moment internet is connected.

That's the story.

It's funny because the Mac was introduced with a 1984 theme about PC as a uniform experience controlled by central authority and here we are.

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Is Apple really expecting developers to port their tools to the arm macs with their iOS policies (that I’m sure they are salivating to establish for macOS). Good luck to them and their iOS developer minions.

Why wouldn’t they? Macs and iOS devices are for completely different purposes.

What’s such a special purpose for a Mac? Running Xcode?

This lock down will just get worse as they allow running iOS apps on macs and developers start hacking these things to bits and bypassing AppStore.

Apple will have no choice but to make macOS basically follow iOS model.

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> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything. Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior. Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and…

> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

The AppStore has every right to publish only apps they deem rightfull - so there would be absolutely no change there. Yet, apple should not be able to disallow me from using my device in any way I want to - that is I should be able to sideload anything, make it an alternative app store or a simple app.

They are even free to hide that option from regular users so the security of them won’t be harmed - they can’t install malware with 2 clicks because there will be 4 apple prompts explaining why it’s a bad idea. But I get to install a prog language interpreter or a proper browser - so win-win (other than apple’s profits, but I couldn’t care less)

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> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

A lot of the anti-Apple arguments I see here seem to have an element of ideological fixation. IMO the practicalities of the real world are always more involved than an ideological black/white distinction, and just as you said here there are always tradeoffs on different fronts. Openness instead of a walled garden is nice, but how far can you go with it? If you think about it, every company is essentially a plutocrati…

There is a misunderstanding of market will choose the best competitor. A competition in of itself is not fair, it needs heavy regulation to become fair - like a running contest could be won by anyone if they were to shoot the other contenders. And this is what happens in unregulated markets - we’ve got an oligopoly, with a really high bar to enter - basically impossible for a newcomer (note that even Microsoft failed to enter it). So there should absolutely be some government regulation to make it fair - and it is not overreach. It is simply no longer Apple’s decision, since it is practically a public service in part, as you noted.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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I don't care what you think, honestly. (And don't misjudge my tone here - I mean this in the friendliest way.) I care about the fact that the US government has let this gorilla grow into King Kong and start throwing us into walls and trampling on our industry. If this trend continues, the giants will swallow us completely. Our industry has always been special, and the barriers have historically been low. Now that App…

It’s your choice whether you operate within the walls Apple has put up. Why do you remain within them?

Because if you want to enter the mobile market you HAVE to? This “the customers will choose the best” thing has never been true, even in its source. The context is “in a fair competition between competing products” (which won’t be true again, because humans are not rational - otherwise marketing would not matter)

Also, it’s not like I have any chance ever to compete with Apple, even if I were to be the cleverest people on Earth.

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