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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Curious, people complain about the monopoly, yet they still purchase from monopoly.

That's kinda how monopolies work, and why trust-busting laws were first devised.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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They have been working on locking those down too, even before they announced the switch to ARM, which will continue this trend.

People have been this since Apple first launched the iOS app store. It plays well on message boards. So far, it has done a terrible job of describing reality.

They are boiling the frog slowly. The T2, app notorization and kext depreciation are steps towards locking the device down. Combined with the iPhone-ification of their hardware I see the Mac becoming more like the iPad than the iPad becoming a general purpose computer.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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post #69

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iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Curious, people complain about the monopoly, yet they still purchase from monopoly.

People can complain about things and still prefer them. Just like you may dislike that your spouse cleans the dishes poorly, but you aren't going to switch to someone else for that reason.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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post #186

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They have been working on locking those down too, even before they announced the switch to ARM, which will continue this trend.

People have been this since Apple first launched the iOS app store. It plays well on message boards. So far, it has done a terrible job of describing reality.

I'd call it a "not great" job at describing reality–Macs today are certainly more locked-down than they were five or ten years ago, but I think it would be unfair to compare them to iOS right now.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

>> the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses.

That's a very weak argument. Actually this is a part of Apple's marketing for ignorant people.

I have been using various Linux distros and Android phones for years and never got a malware and virus because: - I install software from trusted sources or compile from the source - I keep SW, OS and kernels up-to-date - It is getting harder and harder to exploit modern systems thanks to improved sandboxes in browsers, namespaces, ASLR and other techs

What people just need is a bit of training on how to use a computer. They don't need Apple.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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If I was iSH developer and I wanted to fuck with Apple I would make iSH run in WASM and browser. Good luck banning that desktop shortcut.

> If I was iSH developer and I wanted to fuck with Apple I would make iSH run in WASM Seems Apple is on the WASM-banning track already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25028733

That's not running in the browser.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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> Precompiled builds of iSH (distributed as IPA files) will remain available [...] for jailbroken users. Is there any reason to use iSH over the native system shell when jailbroken?

Aside from possibly having the program you want precompiled, it's a pretty good terminal–we know of users who SSH into localhost to use it as their terminal app of choice.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

I’m an iOS user and a kindle user. Having to go to another place to purchase kindle books doesn’t bother me. But it is mostly about how often I do it. If I was purchasing books every hour it would really bother me. But I only purchase books once a month or less. So it’s not a big deal for me.

I am KOReader user on rooted Kobo and LineageOS Android. I can read many file formats without the fear that books will stop working [1] one day.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48829661

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

> Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting

I have few empathy for these developers. They voluntarily accepted (and thus, promoted) Apple's obviously callous store conditions. They essentially agreed to play lottery with their work. Whatever bad happens to them, they had it coming.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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The Termux developers have a plan ( https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An... ). >> This is what we get from monopoly. Agreed. The Apple / Google mobile OS dualopy leaves few choices.

The few choices are Librem 5 and PinePhone, native GNU/Linux phones.

I have Librem pre-ordered but I expect it will be barely usable as an Android replacement (yet). Though it had to start somewhere and I am glad Purism started that. There are many many smaller and bigger things which went into Android or iOS which will need to be re-done from scratch and things like Google Pay probably won't ever be on such a device. Camera will probably be quite bad, etc. On the other hand, there is Andbox which should partly fill in the app gabs in the meantime.
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