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Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by toastal »

jlokier wrote: post #74
swiley wrote: post #66

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>make banking apps not work anymore If you live in a country where you have to use your phone for banking and can't use the web then you need to talk to your politicians. That seems like a pretty extreme violation of your freedom. As much as I dislike the US at least we don't have that.

Some banks and bank-like products only make themselves available by mobile app. It's a commercial decision, and seems to have been a trend with some "challenger" banks. I have two of those, and I chose them because of unique banking features (not the mobile app) not offered by other banks which I found valuable. It's nothing to do with the country. To be honest it would be nice to have web access as well (or even pho…

In Thailand the bank I have, Kasikorn, charges for ATM usage outside of the registered province even from the same network... UNLESS you use their cardless withdraw that uses some QR code for TOTP that requires the app (that will attempt to block phones with root access). You can use the website as well for some things, but it requires SMS-based OTP with no supported alternatives.

I'd switch banks or at least branches to this new province, but my current visa won't allow it (and for whatever reason, you cannot transfer accounts but need to open a new one).

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by squarefoot »

app4soft wrote: post #284
jtxx wrote: post #186

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Linux phones!!! There’s still a lot of dev work to be done but this is exactly why I’m on board with the pinephone. not a daily driver yet, but if you’re a programmer looking for something to contribute to, go check it out

> Linux phones!!! Android phones > Linux phones!!![0] [0] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-linux-on-android/

They're non native chroot jails that don't solve any of the problems addressed by the PinePhone or any similar native install.

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Post by ericmay »

shawnz wrote: post #77
ericmay wrote: post #76

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That’s not the same thing at all lol. And iPhone doesn’t give apps unrestricted screen access.

You don't see it as the same because you have different expectations/needs. I don't see Apple's control of the app store as being a value-add for me, so to me that is user-hostile. Meanwhile I do think it's important that apps can't arbitrarily look at my screen contents.

> I don't see Apple's control of the app store as being a value-add for me, so to me that is user-hostile.

Sure, I think the exact opposite is the case. Fortunately so far Apple has been on my side here. When that changes, I'll have to reevaluate the utility of the iPhone.

> Meanwhile I do think it's important that apps can't arbitrarily look at my screen contents

Hmm. Do you have any resources I could read to understand how iOS apps are able to arbitrarily read my screen contents? Thanks.

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Post by kmeisthax »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #299
nexuist wrote: post #224

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What are you talking about? You can easily disable location services on any Apple device.

But if you disable location services, you cannot get your location at all. This is unlike more privacy-respecting platforms like Android, which let you get your location from the GPS sensor without enabling location services. Suppose Apple occasionally sent "anonymized" screenshots back up to Apple as part of "screen services." You could say you could disable screen services by not turning on the display, and that is…

That sounds like a bug on Android's part. If you disable something called "location services", then you would expect that the GPS sensor no longer works.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kmeisthax wrote: post #304
lern_too_spel wrote: post #299

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But if you disable location services, you cannot get your location at all. This is unlike more privacy-respecting platforms like Android, which let you get your location from the GPS sensor without enabling location services. Suppose Apple occasionally sent "anonymized" screenshots back up to Apple as part of "screen services." You could say you could disable screen services by not turning on the display, and that is…

That sounds like a bug on Android's part. If you disable something called "location services", then you would expect that the GPS sensor no longer works.

Why would you expect that? If you deny an app the location permission, you would expect that the app cannot use GPS, and that is exactly what happens on Android. If you want faster location information in return for sharing "anonymized" location information with Google, you can optionally turn on location services to do so. This is considered a big enough privacy invasion that Android devices with Google services ask the user about it on initial set up.

On iOS, if you want to get your location at all via any app, even an app that keeps the locations it receives on the device, you automatically consent to having your location sent to Apple, and Apple doesn't even tell the user that they're doing this unless they go out of their way to find the privacy policy.

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Post by yiyus »

m4rtink wrote: post #292
yiyus wrote: post #97

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In which kind of bubble do you live where not making web apps available for your clients is seen as an extreme violation of freedom? As long as it is possible to go to the bank to do whatever you need to do, I do not think politicians have anything to say. Sometimes you don't have to, but it's much more convenient. For example, I can use my bank app just with my fingerprint. To use the web app, I either have to login…

Dictating what you can use on a device you own or else they won't do business with you is rude & clear violation of one's freedom.

If some bank tells me I have to use certain app to make business with them, it's my choice to do it or not, but they are not violating my freedom. And I find saying this is an "extreme violation of your freedom" insulting for those who are actually seeing their freedom violated.

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Post by nojs »

artificial wrote: post #297
dghughes wrote: post #290

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> Now, I'm as frustrated as anybody else here that I'm forbidden to use whatever feature I want from MY phone, for which I paid, with MY MOENY Samsung disabled the oxygen sensor (SPO2) on their phones for Canada. For other countries they moved access for the SPO2 feature further into the Samsung Health app. But for Canada SPO2 sensor access is gone not accessible. No warning (probably buried in an email) just one day…

If you’re geeking out on health data, would you entertain an Apple Watch? It features an O2 sensor which to my knowledge hasn’t been neutered. Do you think it’s a patent issue? I recall Apple modifying the active noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro.

Apple does the same thing with the ECG feature - it’s frustratingly disabled on my Apple Watch for regulatory reasons based on region.

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Post by fsflover »

cogburnd02 wrote: post #281
fsflover wrote: post #221

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Strictly speaking you are right, but Librem 5 [0] is going to get Respects Your Freedom certification from the Free Software Foundation, which is a high bar. If it's not enough for you, see also: Precursor [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor

FSF also supports Replicant which works with refurb'ed (older) phones now. I own a Galaxy S3 & intend to get Replicant running on it.

All Android phones require proprietary blobs for many functions, even for booting. S3 with Replicant will have no Wi-fi, Bluetooth and so on: https://tehnoetic.com/tehnoetic-s3-phone-replicant.

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Post by wlesieutre »

nojs wrote: post #307
artificial wrote: post #297

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If you’re geeking out on health data, would you entertain an Apple Watch? It features an O2 sensor which to my knowledge hasn’t been neutered. Do you think it’s a patent issue? I recall Apple modifying the active noise cancellation in the AirPods Pro.

Apple does the same thing with the ECG feature - it’s frustratingly disabled on my Apple Watch for regulatory reasons based on region.

They tell you up front though, as far as I know they’ve never sold a health sensor into a country and then disabled it later, which is what it sounds like parent comment is describing

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Post by userbinator »

Spivak wrote: post #220
grenoire wrote: post #210

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or for DRM reasons...

Nah, the DRM on iPhones is much stronger than screenshot protection. When you’re watching DRM protected media you can still take screenshots but the part of the screen that has the content will be blacked out. Basically all forms of reading pixels from DRM windows just return nothing.

That's "hardware overlay", not exactly DRM (it's been there on PCs for a very long time) but certainly leans in that direction.
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