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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#831

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#832
For a site full of engineers I'm surprised to see the discussion center on partisan politics, talking points, unsourced claims and demands for sources, bickering over every detail, when what I'd want to talk about among technical people is the fact that Biden hasn't actually won, based on the rules of the system. He claimed he won. So did Trump. Neither are backed by anything tangible, yet. It looks like the PA AG has called for a statewide audit of votes, several court orders have been issued in several states, including Michigan and Wisconsin, there are lawsuits in several jurisdictions, and recounts in Georgia and Nevada are going to start soon. Notice how I'm not saying the lawsuits and accusations are founded, because I'd like to talk about the system.

This is far from over. You could have votes invalidated. This is only over when the electors travel to DC and 270+ vote for one person. That could be halted. You could see the house delegations vote, you could see state or federal courts rule, you could even see some state legislative bodies make decisions on it.

It takes a lot more than a claim of victory and a news organization calling it for an election to be over, and I'd expect a bunch of very smart people to know that.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#833
As a non-US citizen watching this from the outside, I'm divided between my relief at American's not having to endure Trump's stupidity for another 4 years, and some trepidation for world citizens on what a competent/active US president will do w.r.t. foreign policy & proxy wars.

The perception is that Trump was too dump to start new wars and wasn't subtle - so you could at least know what he's thinking w.r.t. your (non-American) interests. On the other hand, most American presidents are nice & courteous at face value while raining drone bombs on unsuspecting non-Americans, spreading Freedom (with a capital F).

As a non-American, I would rather Americans endure a bit longer and the remaining (7B-0.3B) world citizens have 4 more years of (relative) US non-involvement. Selfish, I know, but the world needs a breather.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#834

Thanks for the valiant attempts to keep this discussion from devolving into a full-fledged dumpster fire. 1. The US, by the most generally accepted definition, has had continuous governance as a democracy since 1788. Just one more election, and not the most contentious or momentous by a long shot. 2. Current reported spread in votes between D and R are pretty slim, 75.0M v. 70.7M Wikipedia 11PM EST 11/7. 3. Whatever…

> Whatever your partisan opinion, at least 70M American adults, 48.5% of those voting, disagree with you and think you’re an idiot.

This is a site for hackers - people with a special affinity for technology, science, building things, and solving problems.

Openly supporting a president who gleefully ignores the advice of scientists and bans immigrants from Muslim countries is inherently harmful to the work of hackers not to mention life on this planet.

To pretend both sides have equal merit just because large numbers of people exist on each is dishonest.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#835

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I realize this will sound snarky and/or overly aggressive. However, I'm being entirely serious and can't quickly come up with a better way to phrase this:

How do people with functioning moral compasses come together with the kind of people who see pictures of children in cages and say "America, fuck yeah?"

How do people who want some form of democratic government come together with the kind of people who think it's entirely right and proper for a president to do his best to prevent his political opponents from voting -- by disrupting the postal service, by soliciting the help of multiple hostile foreign governments to smear his opponent, calling for his opponents to be imprisoned without charge, and by attempting to halt vote counting in the courts?

How do people with any kind of respect for the value of human life watch video of the George Floyd killing and come together with the kind of people who watch the video and argue that the police did nothing wrong?

I don't think these divides can be healed. These issues are not matters, like arguments over the size of government, where compromise is both possible and mutually beneficial. Instead, they are moral red lines about which compromise is neither possible or desirable. What the 70-odd million who voted from Trump want out of their country isn't compatible with the basic moral outlook of the 75-odd million people who voted against him.

To take an extreme example, if a bunch of Nazis want to kill 10 million people, 'compromising' by agreeing to let them kill only 5 million people isn't acceptable -- and yet, this is exactly the kind of moral compromise (truly in the other sense of the word) that would be involved in bringing together Trumpist and anti-Trumpist factions.

In addition to the moral divide, there is a reality/gullibility divide between the Trumpist and anti-Trumpist factions. Trumpists believe an awful lot of stuff that is factually untrue. They reject global warming and dismiss the scientific evidence as the product of a Chinese hoax to destroy America. 56% of Republicans now believe in Qanon (an ideological conspiracy theory born out of the argument that Democrats eat babies) to some extent[0]. The overwhelming majority of Trumpists get their news from Fox, a media outlet which spreads more misleading information than accurate information.[1] How does anyone with a commitment to respecting consensus reality reach people who have chosen to live in comforting fantasyland rather than cope with the world as it is?

I don't see any way for the US to get out of this mess without breaking up into multiple countries.

And, to the usual 'downvote to -1' crowd: what part of this analysis is wrong?

[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-electio...

[1] https://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/06/fact-checker-finds-6...

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#836

For me the bottomline of the Trump administration is that he has started zero new wars, sparing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. As an outsider I hope that the US will not go back to its foreign military interventions.

One doesn't have to declare war to wage it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more...

Also he also didn't take Covid seriously, thus helping contribute to hundreds of thousands of people dying? It didn't have to be a political issue.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#837

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

Political language "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind"

This feels a lot like GP/OP — Orwell’s politics and the English language, let’s metaphor away values and principles to the relativity of sounds from our meat flaps and we will all be free of this human condition

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#838

Thanks for the valiant attempts to keep this discussion from devolving into a full-fledged dumpster fire. 1. The US, by the most generally accepted definition, has had continuous governance as a democracy since 1788. Just one more election, and not the most contentious or momentous by a long shot. 2. Current reported spread in votes between D and R are pretty slim, 75.0M v. 70.7M Wikipedia 11PM EST 11/7. 3. Whatever…

1. Does continuous governance include a civil war? This wasn’t the most contentious election seeing as a previous one of ours did in fact lead to civil war, but it wasn’t “just one more election.” I reckon this election brought us closer to civil war than any since Lincoln. And whereas the trouble of Lincoln’s time was necessary for the moral growth of our nation, Trump has provoked our current discord merely to aid his dictatorial intents. The democracy was nearly lost. It may still be. But at least now we have a chance. If that’s not momentous I don’t know what is.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#839
If the ' news ' claims something as truth and fact it must be

Lets throw out the evidence against Corruption

Fake balots

Bidens Laptop

Bidens pornhub account

Bidens crimes overseas with energy firms

and the fact that he is an old corrupt kike

that forgets and isnt mentally heathly for office

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#840
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OK, so the transition from Make America Great Again slogan to Make America Decent Again (and Better) reality is inevitable and welcome. It is easy to get overjoyed by results of the U.S. Presidential Election (and some celebration certainly is in order). Uniting the country is definitely a commendable goal, though it is easier said than done. The election results across all levels clearly illustrate just how divided…

Is there really any common ground? My experience talking to the other side during this administration is that they are completely unable and often unwilling to consider any argument or information that conflicts with their views. How do you debate with people who don't care about facts or reason? In addition their leadership appears to be completely unwilling to act and good faith and the rank in file appear unwillin…

A lot of people support cannabis legalization, and Biden wants to decriminalize it and leave it to the states to handle.

I've seen a lot of people noting how drug policy liberalization won big across the country, even in red states.

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