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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

> We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us. Pardon, but isn't USA already divided approx. 50/50? From the outside (I'm from Norway), I can't even believe how shit the US politics is.

It used to be that reps from both sides of the isle would come together on things. Think John McCain not voting to kill Obamacare as one of his last votes before he died. There was a give and take. It seems that that is what is missing.

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Nov 3 - Election Day Nov 7 - News media called a winner (this is not an official act) Dec 8 - Deadline for resolving election disputes Dec 14 - Electoral college casts votes Dec 23 - Deadline for receipt of electoral college votes Jan 6 - Congress counts the electoral college votes Jan 20 - Inauguration Day

Judges have thrown out nearly every lawsuit the Trump campaign has filed.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Being a centrist, I can definitely understand the desire for more conservative policies, and a rejection of more liberal policies. What has been tough for me personally, though, is to see a person as amoral as Trump get so much support. I DO agree that Trump has done some good things, things that before him neither the left nor the right was willing to do in a substantial way (mainly his forcing a re-evaluation of ou…

> by refraining from pushing (mainly white, straight men, but also others, like the religious) many further from the Democratic party.

According to these Fox News polls[1], that shouldn't be a problem given their views.

This election also saw a drop in white male support for Trump.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/YxxnynP

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In an ideal world, I think we should do either: A) Random selection a la the Venetian Doge (political leader, not meme-canine). The house should definitely be random selection- preferably all citizens over 18 and under say 70 filing a tax return. B) Allow indefinite run-offs with None-of-the-above options. Basically, if None-of-the-above wins, the election is redone but nobody on the ballot is allowed to run for the run-off.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

We need to reform the system so that people feel like they can afford not to be tribal. Key to this is the unbalanced wildcard that is the United States Supreme Court. While the Supreme Court has the ability to basically make any law or any decision no matter how flimsy the textual language support, the United States is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship. without that fear of what a court could and would do, Trump would have never won his first campaign.

I always hope that some moderate politician will come along in deemphasize the power of the bases. A strongly pro environment Republican, or a true honest pro life Democrat. Unfortunately what we’ve seen, and continue to see in this election is at the wings in each party are all powerful.

We need to rebuild institutions that have been shaped by decades of imperial President rule. I agree with the chaos engineering example that was given earlier. We now know what part of the system don’t scale. Something that we cannot permit if we want to continue having a democracy is presidents acting like they can ignore law, make appointments were not in recess, pass executive orders with the force of law. We also need to stop excusing his behavior because of parties and links. Obama gave trump the weapons that he used in office with a national Labour relations Board debacle and his immigration orders. Trump orders were simply the flipside of that coin.

It’s time to re-factor America. we may want to consider going as far as making the presidency more of a Prime Minister role, as opposed to an independent position. The country and the stakes are now so high that we cannot afford to have another Donald Trump.

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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I absolutely agree with you and I think we've gotten ourselves into a state where the "fix" (whatever it may be) will be so unpalatable to either party or to anybody who wants to survive in a political environment that it'll be impossible to implement. For example, want to bring manufacturing jobs back? 1. Implement trade-protectionist tariffs and import restrictions. 2. Unionize rural workforces to make the pay and…

2-4 would have a plurality of support in the country, And with that, bipartisan support.

They can also be done without isolationism, but probably not without redistributing the wealth that has concentrated in the hands of the 0.1% over decades (under both parties) back into the general population.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

> Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton then we are not where we are today.

> Likewise this time around, nobody I have talked to seriously voted for Joe Biden on his own merits. They voted for him because he's not Donald Trump.

That might just be a function of your bubble. Biden was probably the Democratic candidate with the broadest appeal, which is in fact his own merit. Biden wasn't running for President of California. He might not have deeply appealed to this or that demographic or ideological slice of the electorate, but if you go too far in that direction with a diverse electorate you risk getting either electable failures that bully the rest of the country (like Trump) or unelectable failures (like some of the other candidates in the primaries).

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

> They voted for him because he's not Donald Trump.

That’s very interesting (but not surprising) to hear. I’m in a conservative bubble, and many people I know voted for Trump because he’s not a Democrat and opposes policies of the modern Democratic Party.

There were many discussions among conservatives on how to set up criteria for what feels to many like a choice between good policy and good character — though others argue that’s a false dichotomy to begin with when most of the job in question is policy (i.e. policy is character in this case).

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

> Likewise this time around, nobody I have talked to seriously voted for Joe Biden on his own merits

Did you talk to the black voters in Clayton county, Atlanta or Philadelphia? Because it was them who put Biden over the line and put the election results beyond doubt.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I feel like a big reason for the divide is the filter bubbles[1] the public has trapped themselves in. I wanted to force myself to read news from both sides of the divide rather than simply NPR, which was my go-to source for several years. In spite of RSS readers being essentially dead, there are still RSS feeds available. So I mashed up feeds from 10 left and right leaning sources each and created Smash the Bubble[2…

I am liberal who do read conservative newspapers regularly. The amount of lies in conservative papers is astonishing. Not bias, not choosing topics, but flat out lies.

I think that they see their role to push for their side and have zero ideological commitment to any semblance of anything else. Do you get sleepy Biden in clear stage of dementia, again and again.

Note that I an not claiming journals should be objective. They can't. Just that there are more lines to cross. And frankly, liberal journals do go out of their way to extend empathy to "other side" more often.

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