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Favorite fact about the 2020 election: Biden not only got more Black votes than Obama, he got a higher percentage of the Democratic Black vote (highest in history, in fact). IOW, Biden is significantly more popular among Blacks than Obama was in 2008 (or 2012). Amazing!

It's interesting that Trump and Biden both have exceeded the previous record-holder for most votes: Obama in 08.

1. Biden '20 - 74,811,378

2. Trump '20 - 70,554,537

3. Obama '08 - 69,498,516

4. Clinton '16 - 65,853,514

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

The final popular vote is going to match Bidens favorables at around 52%. This was not a "poor set of choices", this is a pretty decisive victory.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

> We need better candidates who generate real support and appeal other than just not being their opponent. Not sure how to get there.

Stop giving a single person that much power. The US is huge, it made sense back when news took a month to make it across the country, but now it doesn't.

Many of the best-run democracies in the world have a history of unappealing presidents, prime ministers, and so on. You don't need better candidates, you need the President to matter less. You want the seats in the houses to dominate the media, not the figurehead.

(free bonus: it'll also help you get rid of that ridiculous two-party system)

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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A big problem that divides us is property renters versus owners: owners have spent the last several decades restricting access to property, and that's now raised the cost of the most productive metro areas to unacceptable levels: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-ren... Many millions of people, especially but not exclusively the young, have in effect been gated out of prosperity. Matt Yglesias'…

Weird, right?

You would think this would be front and center in any election, next to the destruction of quality jobs that prevented the same young people from getting on a good career path. And yet, the two gigantic elephants remain entirely unobserved.

I am seriously perplexed.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

They already are. Russia & China's tactics are not so much disinformation, but simply taking our own talking points and pushing them to us even harder.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

I really wish that the US voting system did not rely on strategic voting, in which voters are basically forced to choose the lesser of two evils.

I am a huge proponent of ranked choice voting, and I donate to https://www.fairvote.org/. Politics have a wide spectrum of opinions and choices, and our government should represent that.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

To me, this is one of the biggest problems with politics these days. Everyone wants a candidate that they like more than they want a candidate who can ably run the country. The fact is that this country is full of people with different ideas, desires and needs. Donald Trump had real support, but only from a single faction. He was president of his base only. Joe Biden on the other hand, is no one's favorite but it should be pretty obvious to anyone that he's qualified and that he can be a president for all of the United States.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Please permit me a ramble, there are too many points to fit in a hn box and I'm typing on a phone.

I'm sure our stateside friends would be happy to acknowledge that US politics has a major effect on the whole world. I have had it pointed out to me before, however, that the USA can vote in whomever they please, and it is none of our business.

But American companies sell us our books and films (understatement), take cuts of our credit card payments, make us coffee, organize our taxis. All of this seems to be with preferential tax treatment. All of these things could be done without the US, but the US is our partner in peace, so it is tolerated.

And here is the rub, this works so long as the USA is a legitimate ally.

And then came Trump, telling us that we don't spend enough on Nato (with US defence companies) and threatening our peace. I believe this has lead to a situation where the US is seen less as a partner and more as a bully, a colonial overlord demanding tribute. I think the next 20 years will see a shift in this kind of trade to the EU and to the East.

The USA can be insular if it wants, but it can't do so and expect everything to be the same as it has been for the last 50 years. An insular US is a declining US. Your new President has a terrific amount of work to do to undo this damage...

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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To me what this election (as well as the 2016 election) illustrates, is what a poor set of choices we have had. In no sane world should it have been difficult for the Democrats to defeat Donald Trump in 2016. He had no history in political office, and he lost the popular vote to just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have put up. Had the Democrats put up anyone who was less divisive than Hillary Clinton t…

The journalists Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald talk about this a lot: the question of what happened with Clinton's loss, why Trump, why these shocks and why the persistent support.

The argument would be that there's a strong elitism that manifested in the Democratic Party, which abandoned some of its core Progressive principles with things like NAFTA (and the never-ending wars). H. Clinton echoed this, with a haughty campaign that called people she should be wooing 'deplorables,' skipping campaigning in key battleground states, and blaming sexism for some of her campaign failures ("it's about me") instead of self-reflection ("How could I have had broader appeal.") Even today you'll often find people reminding you that Trump appeals to people without college degrees. Outside of a pure data context, saying that over and over again suggests that somehow people with degrees are better capable of selecting the leaders of everyone, which is an extremely elitist perspective. So Trump comes along, attacks NAFTA and free trade, speaks plainly and so forth.

Was he making false promises about returning jobs overseas, helping workers and other Sanders talking points? Absolutely. But the self-reflection that needs to happen here (given the loss of two dozen House seats and numerous local upsets) is, what are we doing wrong, here.

To wit:

Exit polls, which can be unreliable, pegged his national support at 32%-35% of the Latino vote. More tellingly were results in certain counties. Starr County, Texas, the county with the highest percentage of Hispanic or Latino voters — above 95% — voted for Hillary Clinton by a 60-point margin in 2016, but gave Biden just a five point win in 2020.

Even more amazing was Trump’s performance among Black voters. The man whose 2016 message to “the blacks” was very nearly a parody of long-ago New York mayoral candidate Mario Procaccino’s pledge that “My heart is as black as yours” must have found a new way to connect. Trump doubled his support with Black women, moving from 4% in 2016 to 8%, while upping his support among Black men from 13% to 18%. Remember, this was after four years of near-constant denunciations of Trump as not just a racist, but the leader of a literal white supremacist movement:

[...]

Trump’s numbers with the LGBTQ community were a stunner also, jumping from 14% to 28%. In September, a dating app for queer men called Hornet ran a survey that showed 45% support for Trump among gay men. Ever since Trump jumped into politics, media observers have rushed to denounce any Trump-related data that conflicts with conventional wisdom, and the Hornet survey was no different. Out magazine quoted a communications professor from Cal Poly Pomona as saying, “To tout a Hornet poll as evidence of LGBTQ support for Trump is clickbaity, sloppy journalism.” Even the Hornet editor scoffed at his own poll, before it all turned out to be true in the election.

Trump even improved his standing among white women, 53% of whom were already pilloried in 2016 for voting for a man who bragged about how you “grab ‘em by the pussy, you can do anything.”

(Matt Taibbi, Which is the Real "Working Class Party" Now?, Nov 2020)

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