As a matter of strategy, I doubt that developers aren't already downloading key cryptographic libraries out there in order to host them outside the USA. I think news like this might also encourage more people to program encrypted messaging and file transfer applications. I mean, who in here hasn't at least made a small cryptographic test with widely known libraries? The irony is that the more technology like this is outlawed, the more valuable it becomes to those who might find it useful, the flipside being that the less encrypted traffic there is, the easier it becomes to find those who use it. The only antidote to that, is more encrytped traffic.
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#22Speaking of spying on the populace, does anyone know why Palantir stock is on a tear for the past couple of days? There's nothing publicly known that would cause this. Is the new administration planning to tighten the bolts / expand the police state?
>Is the new administration planning to tighten the bolts / expand the police state?
I wouldn't worry, any of his actions will be backed up by the required votes.
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#23The right to bear arms should cover encryption.
The Roe v Wade decision was based on an implied, if not explicit, right to privacy in the constitution. If the court is basing decisions like abortion access on a right to privacy, then they should also start enforcing an actual right to privacy, including access to encryption.
Carpenter v. United States was 5-4, with Ginsburg in the majority. The textualists stacked up firmly against it. I wouldn't expect any help from SCOTUS for the next... ever.
The textualist theory on privacy is basically: "no trespass, no problem". The trespass theory of privacy is why Scalia was in the majority on United States v. Jones (cant attach a GPS tracker to a car without a warrant) and Kyllo v. United States (cant invade the house with an IR camera without a warrant). The lack of a physical trespass explains why his intellectual bedfellows dissented in Carpenter.
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#24encryption for me but not for thee
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#25The right to bear arms should cover encryption.
The Roe v Wade decision was based on an implied, if not explicit, right to privacy in the constitution. If the court is basing decisions like abortion access on a right to privacy, then they should also start enforcing an actual right to privacy, including access to encryption.
If you are going to cite a central argument to Roe v. Wade related to privacy, then you might as well mention the other argument in Roe v. Wade regarding the government’s interests in protecting an individual’s (in this case, the woman and fetuses’) health. The court balanced their decision between those two interests, hence why states are able to impose some restrictions against abortion after the first trimester.
Given that, what does the balance here look like?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
After we get rid of warrant-proof window shades, we'll get to the real problem. We all know what it is: Thought Crime.
>...We all know what it is: Thought Crime... Scotland's proposed new Hate Crime Bill would pretty much take care of that angle.[0] >Scotland’s proposed hate crime bill will penalise anyone whipping up hatred against “protected groups.” That includes people making “insulting” remarks within their own home, Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf has revealed. [0] https://www.rt.com/uk/504813-scotland-hate-crime-at-home/ [Many…
Another source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/04/uk-lawyers-u...
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#27Speaking of spying on the populace, does anyone know why Palantir stock is on a tear for the past couple of days? There's nothing publicly known that would cause this. Is the new administration planning to tighten the bolts / expand the police state?
Biden is a very pro-war, tough on crime politician. He voted to authorize the Iraq war in 2003, and drafted and sponsored the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act in 1994, the largest crime bill in American history. Biden’s win is a great signal for defense and law enforcement companies that spending will increase, so it makes sense. It’s likely a really great time to invest in these companies now that Trump has no chance of winning.
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#28Humans are mortal. It doesn't matter if you are a dictator or a janitor - you will die anyway. But the institutions, the system, the culture - will stay for much much longer.
Those who build a centralized system that can control every aspect of humans life just don't realize they are building Hell on Earth.
Decentralization and fairfull consensus between every acting party, no matter how much power they have - this is the only way to build a great culture and a system.
Unfortunately, we are still too far from this. Too much people are still trying to build this ugly human pyramid of subordination, just like in a primal tribe or mafia organization.
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#29As a matter of strategy, I doubt that developers aren't already downloading key cryptographic libraries out there in order to host them outside the USA. I think news like this might also encourage more people to program encrypted messaging and file transfer applications. I mean, who in here hasn't at least made a small cryptographic test with widely known libraries? The irony is that the more technology like this is…
I don’t understand how they could ban strong encryption when everyone is gearing up for quantum resistance for blockchain technology. Once you have a distributed quantum resistant system good luck on that. There are so many ways this isn’t practical. If everyone just traded back and forth weakly encrypted garbage data chunks it would be indistinguishable from strong encryption. Also you can encrypt something with weak encryption, chunk the file then send them out in two directions and unless you have both or the chunking mechanism is really shitty that would be just as good as one single strong encryption stream. There’s just too many factors to cover for this to be practical. It’s fighting with mathematics and it’s a losing battle
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#30The US constitution should be amended with a right to encryption, making laws such as this one impossible. This is the only long-term way out of this mess.