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The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

If you turn off the sound (mute the movie) does that message come across? Because there are people who will watch oversexualized stuff like this with the sound off for their own purposes. You don't have to do the thing you are being critical of in order to be critical of it. There is nothing sophisticated in "pushing boundaries" to make a point - it's sophistry to justify child pron, plain and simple.

Why do you care what other people watch it "for"?

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post #123

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I am saying that if it's ok for day TV to show 17 year old girls dancing like this, then yes, we should expect our 11 year olds to do the same. Why are you bringing sex into this. Do you see sex on day TV with 17 year old girls?

> Is it normal for a 17 year old girl to behave like that on TV? How about 20? I have seen 17/20 year olds in tv (I think, I don't double check actress ages, but I'm sure at least in porn there are 18 year old ones) and I WOULD NEVER expect to see a show/movie about 11 year olds emulating that. And you are basically saying (because it is in tv) we should accept the same behaviour from an 11 year old as an 17 year old…

Who cares, don't watch it if you don't like it.

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

No, wanting to denounce sexualization does not require showing over-sexualisation. It especially doesn't require the film maker doing it herself to these poor actresses. It doesn't matter how "subtle" it is, the movie is part of the problem. It's like making a movie denouncing puppy murders and then the entire movie is just the director shooting puppies. "But don't you get it? How can our movie be bad if it's denounc…

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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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There has to be some punishment for this kind of DCMA abuse.

I’ve been meaning to cancel a Netflix account for a while. This finally got me off my ass.

I get pretty salty about abuse of Fair Use Doctrine and First Sale. One of the reasons EFF gets my donations.

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Donnie Darko did it years earlier, flaying the same culture for the same reasons. And guess whose culture it was that got flayed? Yup.

I've never seen that movie so I can't guess. Would you tell me?

Oh tsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=accEKtBebaU

Good movie. A bit nuts. Product of a much more innocent time; set in an even more innocent time than that. Also no-one’s innocent. Free to watch with ads on Amazon Prime, or you can rent or pick it up on DVD for a few bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/Donnie-Darko-Jake-Gyllenhaal/dp/B002M...

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Yup, keep them all in the sacristy where they belong; neither seen nor heard. #Spotlight #Boston #Conservative #Hypocrisy

Huh? I never said anything supporting organized religion and I'm not sure how this is relevant. You do realize society can choose an ideological system that doesn't include pedophelia, right? It's not one or the other.

What people say and what people do are not the same thing. Society, when given a recent choice, declared outrage for the children then promptly chose the institution. Any other business with a child abuse record the length of the Catholic church’s would be publicly shunned, closed down, and its assets sold off to compensate its many, many victims. And yet, it’s as strong as ever; a bastion of conservative establishment “do as I say not as I do”.

Look, this is not hard to understand: the increasingly fascistic US Right and its Qanon sturmtrupplers are using their “deep state cannibal pedophiles” narrative (amend as appropriate) as a modern-day blood libel in which to paint all their enemies. Mignonnes is simply one more convenient hook upon which to hang the greater attack. To fixate on the film is just one more layer of misdirection, to keep people angry, active, and blind to the big picture. You cannot understand anything until you understand that.

There is nothing innately anti-pedophile abould US Conservative culture; if anything, it’s proved one of the great hiding places for abusers (51st Speaker of the House, anyone?), precisely because it controls what gets said publicly and what is kept private, cultivating and misdirecting popular rage onto its political enemies, and edging ever closer to repeating the great atrocities of history, from the blood libel-stoked slaughters of first European Jews by Catholics, then of those Catholics by the new Protestants, through to the ethnic executions of the Bosnian war and the wholesale genocide of Rwanda, and everything inbetween.

Now I consider myself European despite being stuck here on reactionary backwards Airstrip One. My granddaddy was Antifa back in Africa and Italy. I also know firsthand how much damage one can do just by choosing a pleasing lie over a painful truth. I have few illusions about how bad things can get, and all it take to get it underway is for enough people to buy into a Big Lie to justify everything that comes next. I have the limitations but also the benefits of an outside perspective on what’s happening in the US right now, and I’m legit worried for the future of our whole damn planet as a large chunk of America charges proudly towards a Russia-like one-party state.

If you don’t wish to repeat humanity’s bloody history (which I can assure you won’t spare the children from anyone else) then you really need to start paying attention to who is spinning the popular narratives and to what goal. Starting in a mirror—because if you can’t be brutally, rigorously honest with yourself about your own understanding and motives, then what makes you think you can defend yourself from others’ deceptions any better?

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/10/watching...

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/glossary-terms/blood...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26875506

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5eFubO_iLM

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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

“this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes”

The problem is, the prizes don’t just stop at Netflix.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/cuties-director-death-threats-n...

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The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I've watched this movie and found it to be a very touching movie. It's a shame everyone seems to focus only on the children's sexualization when that, while definitely pushing the boundary a bit further than most people are used to, is clearly contrasted to the girl's otherwise incredibly childish behaviour the whole length of the movie, as well as her desire to escape oppression by her own family. The girls are 90%…

“I am a conservative, I just don't like hypocrisy.”

[applauds]

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post #123

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I am saying that if it's ok for day TV to show 17 year old girls dancing like this, then yes, we should expect our 11 year olds to do the same. Why are you bringing sex into this. Do you see sex on day TV with 17 year old girls?

> Is it normal for a 17 year old girl to behave like that on TV? How about 20? I have seen 17/20 year olds in tv (I think, I don't double check actress ages, but I'm sure at least in porn there are 18 year old ones) and I WOULD NEVER expect to see a show/movie about 11 year olds emulating that. And you are basically saying (because it is in tv) we should accept the same behaviour from an 11 year old as an 17 year old…

I believe the person you were replying to meant that if our daughters consume media filled with pop stars dancing provocatively, then they will emulate it, whether at home alone, with their friends, at a talent show, or a cheerleading or dance team.

I think you were interpreting their comment as saying that we should expect society to allow kids to act this way on a public stage, when they were in fact just commenting that we can only expect kids to act this way at home given what they are exposed to. They are not saying that this is a positive outcome.

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