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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by lopmotr »

Igelau wrote: post #69
yaypolitics wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Ah yes, the old “people who have a problem with pedophilia are the real pedophiles”

That's not quite it. It's that there are some people crying wolf who see something as erotic material when it's not. Do you see the difference there? Getting to the heart of why they see it this way when others don't is an interesting question. There's an ugly implication of the "I know it when I see it" standard -- something in the individual's brain has realized that what it's getting from the eyes is supposed to b…

Not sure about this particular topic, but what you describe does happen. I used to be a schoolteacher and there were instances of students doing sexual dancing, wearing reavealing clothes or flirting. You're startled and make yourself ignore it. Think of their last assignment or something.

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Post by cambalache »

temptemptemp111 wrote: post #19

Normalization of pedophilia is occurring and Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube, HN, and all of the usual suspects are complicit. There are now 3 TED Talks promoting pedophilia normalization.

Yep, this crowd morality goes as far as you touch their salaries, so they will defend their actual or potential employees no matter what.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

skitout wrote: post #76
cutitout wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

If you turn off the sound (mute the movie) does that message come across?

Because there are people who will watch oversexualized stuff like this with the sound off for their own purposes.

You don't have to do the thing you are being critical of in order to be critical of it.

There is nothing sophisticated in "pushing boundaries" to make a point - it's sophistry to justify child pron, plain and simple.

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Post by hhas01 »

identity0 wrote: post #87
skitout wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

No, wanting to denounce sexualization does not require showing over-sexualisation. It especially doesn't require the film maker doing it herself to these poor actresses. It doesn't matter how "subtle" it is, the movie is part of the problem. It's like making a movie denouncing puppy murders and then the entire movie is just the director shooting puppies. "But don't you get it? How can our movie be bad if it's denounc…

Donnie Darko did it years earlier, flaying the same culture for the same reasons.

And guess whose culture it was that got flayed? Yup.

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Post by pherrephatta »

nchelluri wrote: post #83
labawi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory, a DMCA notice requires a statement of Netflix good-faith belief, that the content is infringing, under the penalty of perjury, and should be triable - though good luck going after a G$ company.

What is a G$ company? I've never heard the term before.

A billion dollar company.

The term probably[0] comes from the application of metric prefixes to monetary values.

10^9 -> Giga (G) -> 1 000 000 000

10^6 -> Mega (M) -> 1 000 000

10^3 -> Kilo (K) -> 1 000

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by offmycloud »

nchelluri wrote: post #83
labawi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory, a DMCA notice requires a statement of Netflix good-faith belief, that the content is infringing, under the penalty of perjury, and should be triable - though good luck going after a G$ company.

What is a G$ company? I've never heard the term before.

Gigabucks, a company worth over a billion dollars.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by hhas01 »

_28jh wrote: post #88
qgrgergfqgfev wrote: post #84

It's pretty sad to read French and American reviews side by side, there is really something about America and taboo topics (can't show nipples on tv, can't swear on tv, etc.), perhaps due to religion?

I'm all for religion if it means we can't show sexualized children on TV.

Yup, keep them all in the sacristy where they belong; neither seen nor heard.

#Spotlight #Boston #Conservative #Hypocrisy

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

vmception wrote: post #31
yaypolitics wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Ah yes, the old “people who have a problem with pedophilia are the real pedophiles”

Stranger things have happened Everyone could just ignore the movie because it’s not that interesting

Or we can condemn it for the filth it is and the blatant attempt to normalize absolutely disgusting behavior.

People love to dismiss slippery slope arguments, but we see time and time again "oh, we only want X" soon turns into Y, Z and infinity and beyond.

People are amazed that Harvey Weinstein got away with what he did for so long. Matt Lauer - the lists go on. Hell do we even need to talk about Roman Polanski or indeed the co-founder of Sundance (where the award that Netflix points out they won) was CONVICTED of child pornography?

How does this keep happening? It's because there were people like you willing to make the argument you are making - "oh, it's just a little bit - it's not that bad".

Nope. There is NO QUARTER. Not one more square inch. This movie is flat out unacceptable in and of itself and that is more than enough. You can defend kiddie diddlers if that's really the legacy you want to leave here but I have zero problem being unequivocal on where I stand on this issue.

I wish that having people willing to compromise even the slightest on the exploitation of children could shock me - that's what's even more disgusting to me about this thread.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

madcow00 wrote: post #11
michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". I don't think the makers wanted to create a controversy -- especially on a sensitive issue like sexualisation of minors. This was more of a disregard on their part.

Accidental exploitation of children is still exploitation of children.

And Netflix not only chose to carry it, but DOUBLE DOWN and defend it.

Unacceptable.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by djrogers »

etc-hosts wrote: post #49
Dirlewanger wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but I think what most people are pissed off about is the creator's hypocrisy. She says it's not about glorifying the sexualization of children...yet has multiple multi-minute takes of doing just that, when the point could have gotten across without doing so.

I think she edited the documentary poorly, also I don't think it's a very good documentary. It did get everyone talking about the problems of media sexualizing(is that word?) kids. So maybe it's a great documentary! Not sure.

> I think she edited the documentary poorly

You keep calling this a documentary- it’s not. This is a fictional movie where the creator chose to script, direct, film, and produce scenes of hyper-sexualized little girls.

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