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Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by warkdarrior »

lewiscollard wrote: post #17
bhaak wrote: post #7

> Finally, as we hinted at before, even if Netflix is legally allowed to remove the Cuties trailers and clips from Twitter, that doesn’t make it right. It seems that the people who were targeted have a clear fair use defense. What is it now? Either Netflix is legally allowed to act like this or the twitter users are legally allowed under fair use. It can't be both right, can it? > “Is a clear violation of our First A…

> The First Amendment deals with the government, not private companies. If this were true, every user blocked from Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit could take those companies to court for violating the First Amendment. Except Netflix is using a DMCA takedown request, a legal instrument , to remove the disputed content. I don't think it's reasonable to completely write that off as "Twitter is a private company, First Amen…

Everybody should use legal instruments in disputes. That's the only option in a civilized society, otherwise Netflix could use hired mercenaries to physically target people it doesn't like.

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Post by drummer »

temptemptemp111 wrote: post #19

Normalization of pedophilia is occurring and Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube, HN, and all of the usual suspects are complicit. There are now 3 TED Talks promoting pedophilia normalization.

Gotta agree, it won't surprise me if a few years from now pedophilia is going to be as 'normal' as homosexuality and all the trans stuff. Do you have links to the TED talks?

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by nchelluri »

labawi wrote: post #74
jerf wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only is it textbook fair use, this is exactly why copyright law has a fair use exemption. It does not exist for you to selectively manipulate the public commons by removing only negative reviews that happened to use small snippets of the original material. This is why reviews are protected. The DMCA is a bit broken this way; in theory it's balanced by the ability for these people to counternotice but in practice…

In theory, a DMCA notice requires a statement of Netflix good-faith belief, that the content is infringing, under the penalty of perjury, and should be triable - though good luck going after a G$ company.

What is a G$ company? I've never heard the term before.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by qgrgergfqgfev »

Karunamon wrote: post #64
fennecfoxen wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And -- from what I gather from the coverage -- becoming disillusioned with the whole premise once the thrill of rebellion against parents is gone.

I had it explained to me thusly: Action movies have a lot of murders. Nobody actually died. Mystery movies have a lot of liars. Nobody was actually deceived. Cuties has a lot of child sexualization. Children were actually sexualized. What we're quibbling over now is if the message of the film justifies it - and my answer would be no, there is no message conceivable that would do so.

Watch the movie, make your own opinion.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by identity0 »

skitout wrote: post #76
cutitout wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

No, wanting to denounce sexualization does not require showing over-sexualisation. It especially doesn't require the film maker doing it herself to these poor actresses. It doesn't matter how "subtle" it is, the movie is part of the problem. It's like making a movie denouncing puppy murders and then the entire movie is just the director shooting puppies. "But don't you get it? How can our movie be bad if it's denouncing bad things?" you may say, oblivious to the fact that this director just created a great movie for puppy-murder enthusiasts.

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Post by _28jh »

qgrgergfqgfev wrote: post #84

It's pretty sad to read French and American reviews side by side, there is really something about America and taboo topics (can't show nipples on tv, can't swear on tv, etc.), perhaps due to religion?

I'm all for religion if it means we can't show sexualized children on TV.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by _8ljf »

cutitout wrote: post #18
michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

“The show”

Perhaps you’re confusing it with Dance Moms? Or preteen beauty queen pagents? Both of which are obvious targets of this film, being an attempt (whether good or bad) to criticize that culture. And both of which are also, I’d wager, solidly red state phenomena.

Besides, at this point it’s pretty much a given that everything the Titular Right accuses its enemies of is what it’s balls-deep in itself, so outrageous hypocricy there is no surprise either. See also: alt-right incels, Qanon’s 21st-century blood libel, Kentucky and Oklahoma Trump campaign officials currently serving time for child sex trafficking, undocumented kids stolen from family and locked in cages, and so on.

None of which should Netflix’s appalling advertising campaign nor its lousy attempts to suppress the right-wing tweets attacking them, but let’s not pretend all these Twitter “critics” are suddenly thinking of the children. Obvious propaganda war is so obvious that even a passing student of history can see exactly what’s going on.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by identity0 »

warkdarrior wrote: post #81
lewiscollard wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The First Amendment deals with the government, not private companies. If this were true, every user blocked from Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit could take those companies to court for violating the First Amendment. Except Netflix is using a DMCA takedown request, a legal instrument , to remove the disputed content. I don't think it's reasonable to completely write that off as "Twitter is a private company, First Amen…

Everybody should use legal instruments in disputes. That's the only option in a civilized society, otherwise Netflix could use hired mercenaries to physically target people it doesn't like.

I'll rephrase it for him so it can satisfy your pedantry:

"Except Netflix is using a DMCA takedown request, a legal instrument, to remove the disputed content illegally, because they do not own the copyright to the taken down works."

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