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Amazon Launches New RabbitMQ Message Broker Service

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Re: Amazon Launches New RabbitMQ Message Broker Service

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Post by OJFord »

deanCommie wrote: post #20
ggoo wrote: post #19

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good - my job is really easy bad - my job is really boring

Somehow I don't think physical laborers ever complain when they get new and more powerful tools to make their job easier. It's only software engineers that bemoan their lives getting easier, so they can spend more time working on other problems higher up the abstraction chain.

The 'problems higher up the abstraction chain' are the ones that are closer to labour, or factory work. Mundane and repetitive, relatively speaking easy - requiring less thought and being to die extent trainable as working within a pattern/template.

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Post by pabs3 »

throwaway7281 wrote: post #4

From the FAANG, Amazon strikes me as the one using most open source code while at the same time not having much to show as open source - firecracker is a (relative) toy.

Amazon contribute plenty to open source, both in code and in money, although they can definitely afford to do more sponsorship.

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Post by OJFord »

gauravphoenix wrote: post #17

I know a lot of HNers believe that AWS just consumes OSS and doesn't contribute back, I just wanted to share what AWS has to say about it- https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/setting-the-record-s... I am in no way defending or attacking anyone,I just want to provide a data point.

What a bizarre post! Seems really strange to me to see such a 'toys out of the pram' reaction piece like that from an organisation as big and corporate as AWS.

That it feels the need to respond like that makes me see it in worse light over the matter rather than better.

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Post by pabs3 »

slivanes wrote: post #8

Open source is free to do what you will, but how many PR's does AWS send back to origin?

They have quite a number of commits from various authors to the Linux kernel at least:

    linux (master=) $ git shortlog -ns --author amazon
    79  Arthur Kiyanovski
    76  Gal Pressman
    59  David Woodhouse
    51  Sameeh Jubran
    45  Netanel Belgazal
    38  KarimAllah Ahmed
    35  SeongJae Park
    30  Jan H. Schönherr
    26  Frank van der Linden
    18  Andra Paraschiv
    12  Paul Durrant
    11  Talel Shenhar
    10  Shay Agroskin
    ...

Re: Amazon Launches New RabbitMQ Message Broker Service

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Post by whoevercares »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #13
rstupek wrote: post #5

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I'm curious why you'd characterize firecracker as a toy?

It’s (literally) Google’s crosvm with some changes. AWS forked an existing codebase, made some changes that mostly consisted of removing functionality to tailor the VMM for their use case, and then made a big PR push about “open sourcing” Firecracker as though it was a project they built from scratch. The announcement devoted 1 sentence to the fact that it’s a crosvm fork, and that’s not even the only thing covered i…

Toy in what sense? It’s the backbone of most serverless offering from AWS.

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Post by dodobirdlord »

whoevercares wrote: post #35
dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

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It’s (literally) Google’s crosvm with some changes. AWS forked an existing codebase, made some changes that mostly consisted of removing functionality to tailor the VMM for their use case, and then made a big PR push about “open sourcing” Firecracker as though it was a project they built from scratch. The announcement devoted 1 sentence to the fact that it’s a crosvm fork, and that’s not even the only thing covered i…

Toy in what sense? It’s the backbone of most serverless offering from AWS.

Toy in the sense that it’s not a significant contribution to the open source community.

Edit: In comparison to the scale of Amazon and the scale of contribution of other similarly-sized tech companies. Firecracker would rank as a more major contribution in my book if it wasn’t a cut-down fork of a pre-existing (and still active!) project.

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Post by anaganisk »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #36
whoevercares wrote: post #35

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Toy in what sense? It’s the backbone of most serverless offering from AWS.

Toy in the sense that it’s not a significant contribution to the open source community. Edit: In comparison to the scale of Amazon and the scale of contribution of other similarly-sized tech companies. Firecracker would rank as a more major contribution in my book if it wasn’t a cut-down fork of a pre-existing (and still active!) project.

Define significant? If you're expecting every open source software user to push a million commits before they can be called "contributors" apart from Microsoft/Facebook I dont see any significant contributors.

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Post by pbz »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #15
blobbers wrote: post #12

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This is because reliability, ease of setup, and support are actually just as important as what is being run. If you're not using AWS you're not fully leveraging your software team, because that means you've got people spending time building and supporting these sorts of internal systems. That should only be done when you reach large scale, at which point people have leveraged other AWS synergies making it harder to e…

>That should only be done when you reach large scale, at which point people have leveraged other AWS synergies making it harder to exit the platform. And then you're bleeding money!

And drowning in a sea of complexity...

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Post by ignoramous »

methodin wrote: post #23
ggoo wrote: post #19

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good - my job is really easy bad - my job is really boring

I beg to differ on your second point - at my company we've fully embraced AWS and putting vendor lock-in issues aside, the end result is focusing more on the application and less on the minutiae of operational issues which is a big win. This makes things much more interesting since you can get there faster and consequently take on more impactful projects in the same timeframe. This in general is a boon for developers…

Agreed. The flip side isn't vendor lock-in though, it is building complex systems under the guise of scale.
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