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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by dwild »

mabbo wrote: post #61
michelb wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand. Then again... who remembers Digg?

You really think Github will giveup respecting DMCA and copyright infringement? Your example is nice, but it's about the copyright stand of a number... it's much more grey than respecting an actual DMCA notice and being aware of actual copyrighted content on your platform.

I don't think so... instead what I expect would most probably happen is that they automate it even more, which will suck even more. We got enough damage already from Youtube doing it...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by beloch »

Music consumers across multiple generations, while supporting artists, have expected a certain degree of freedom with the music playback technology placed in their hands. Whether it was recording a custom mix-tape for a special friend full of copied tracks or ripping a stream to play back on demand, there are certain things that most people see as reasonable and harmless.

RIAA made a habit of attacking things seen as reasonable and harmless and has earned a reputation for being unreasonable and harmful. Musicians deserve better. Ultimately, they are the bosses here. Perhaps someday they'll start acting like it.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by daemoncoder »

fortran77 wrote: post #52
simias wrote: post #34

It "backfires" because people post a small number of mp3 files on github that will promptly taken down? We did it reddit, the DMCA is no more! What a silly headline. If you want to actually something that will matter then make sure that github doesn't become a single point of failure for FLOSS software in the future. Or get your GH account banned by posting Lady Gaga tracks in your repos, you do you.

You just realized the people on Hacker News are no smarter than the folks on reddit!

Those two groups are not mutually exclusive :-)

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by na85 »

beloch wrote: post #72

Music consumers across multiple generations, while supporting artists, have expected a certain degree of freedom with the music playback technology placed in their hands. Whether it was recording a custom mix-tape for a special friend full of copied tracks or ripping a stream to play back on demand, there are certain things that most people see as reasonable and harmless. RIAA made a habit of attacking things seen as…

>Musicians deserve better.

Some do. I seem to recall Nirvana being outspoken of their corporate attack dogs the RIAA back in the Napster days when the RIAA was with a straight face claiming damages that totaled more money than was in circulation, globally.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

simias wrote: post #63
dotancohen wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only we had some form of decentralized source code management.

The problem is that git is not feature complete to replace github. In hindsight I wish it had gone the Fossil route: integrate issue management in the distributed repo. If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (yet?).

> If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime.

It would also constrain the various competing solutions to all conform to the git standard.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by backtoyoujim »

beloch wrote: post #72

Music consumers across multiple generations, while supporting artists, have expected a certain degree of freedom with the music playback technology placed in their hands. Whether it was recording a custom mix-tape for a special friend full of copied tracks or ripping a stream to play back on demand, there are certain things that most people see as reasonable and harmless. RIAA made a habit of attacking things seen as…

Does anyone think that music company executives (the boss's boss) have ever paid money for mp3s, cds, tapes, 8-tracks, and vinyl ?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by fortran77 »

daemoncoder wrote: post #73
fortran77 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just realized the people on Hacker News are no smarter than the folks on reddit!

Those two groups are not mutually exclusive :-)

I enjoy both and I'm not embarrassed. Where else can I get my "Below Deck" news and "Schitt's Creek" memes?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

I'm not sure I'd call this "backfiring," as I'm sure that the RIAA must have seen this coming (they have been the Snidely Whiplash of the tech industry for a couple of decades). This kind of reaction is not exactly anything new; just the medium.

I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case.

I used to stream an Internet radio station that played Industrial (dating myself -no one else will), and would often grab songs from it.

A lot of times, the only reason that I grabbed it, was so that I could find out more about it. The quality of the audio grab wasn't really what I wanted as a "keeper."

These pretty obscure groups made a lot of sales (to me) because they had their stuff out there.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by daniel-thompson »

na85 wrote: post #74
beloch wrote: post #72

Music consumers across multiple generations, while supporting artists, have expected a certain degree of freedom with the music playback technology placed in their hands. Whether it was recording a custom mix-tape for a special friend full of copied tracks or ripping a stream to play back on demand, there are certain things that most people see as reasonable and harmless. RIAA made a habit of attacking things seen as…

>Musicians deserve better. Some do. I seem to recall Nirvana being outspoken of their corporate attack dogs the RIAA back in the Napster days when the RIAA was with a straight face claiming damages that totaled more money than was in circulation, globally.

Do you mean Metallica? South Park did an episode about how ridiculous their arguments against Napster were[1]. I don't remember Nirvana weighing in on the RIAA's side (incidentally, Nirvana disbanded in 1994 after the death of Kurt Cobain; Napster was founded in 1999).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rock_Hard

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by sp332 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #29

> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Making developers afraid to work on youtube-dl is a much more powerful move than taking down a few songs that were already available for free on YouTube.
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