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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand.

Then again... who remembers Digg?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. If this situation goes viral and leads to an overall increase in piracy, someone at RIAA will have to answer for it.

As long as they act they will be fine. Github will be more at risk, since they are legally responsible for content hosted on their site. They have some protections under the DMCA, but only if they respond to takedown requests in a timely manner. And those takedown requests take time and effort to process.

The RIAA and other copyright holder representatives have automated submitting a DMCA takedown request process ages ago, and now submit thousands a day to e.g. youtube. Youtube in turn has automated taking down content that receives said requests and probably a big part of the appeal process as well. Is Github that far already?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Then that's a problem that needs fixing. Make the web decentralized again!

If only we had some form of decentralized source code management.

The problem is that git is not feature complete to replace github. In hindsight I wish it had gone the Fossil route: integrate issue management in the distributed repo.

If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (yet?).

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll? no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it…

it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it is worth the risk to fight or comply Genuine question: why? The police won't get involved in a civil matter, only a criminal one. So what happens if you just ignore the other side's lawyers?

> So what happens if you just ignore the other side's lawyers?

IAN[even_close_to_being]AL but I'm fairly sure this would result in a default judgment. At least it does in civil cases between citizens (in the US) and corporations- when a company files with the court clerk, a complaint ("you've been served" kind of thing) is issued to the defendant and they typically have 21 days to respond by filing their own motion with the clerk. If they ignore this or never actually receive this, a hearing is scheduled where a court date is decided, which the court will attempt to communicate to the defendant if they didn't show up to the hearing. The court date will come and go, and if the defendant is still ignoring the situation, the judge assumes there's no contest and will issue a default judgment against the defendant. In the case of corporations vs citizens, this is when damages/fines are accessed and wage garnishment notices get issued. Garnishments (and the corporate equivalent of fines) are no joke- corporate accountants take them extremely seriously because of the penalties for failing to carry them out: if they don't, the company's assets can get seized, accounts can get raided (depending on the type of case [medical and taxes are two large categories] and the plaintiff), and fines get levied and even increase. I imagine it's the same way with default judgments against corporations, but again, I'm no lawyer- just a guy musing about corporate civil suits based on citizen civil suits.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/

I think rather than pretending such efforts don't exist, opposing companies could strategically join to have _some_ say and _some_ influence on how this plays out. Or maybe I'm just being naïve.

I hope you are correct, but reading up about it just left me disappointed. While it may be true that you can influence the group, I think it is often used as an excuse because more participants give more weight to the interest group in the first place. But I hope you are right.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand. Then again... who remembers Digg?

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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If only we had some form of decentralized source code management.

The problem is that git is not feature complete to replace github. In hindsight I wish it had gone the Fossil route: integrate issue management in the distributed repo. If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (yet?).

I'm not so convinced. Seeing as I use a number of issue trackers and code review systems daily and most of them are trash. I'm very happy for git to serve as a compatible core and I can "easily" move between systems as they improve.

Basically I am glad that git does source control well. And I prefer that there is a marketplace of issue trackers, patch management and CI software layered on top. Until we have a clear excellent solution I don't think there is a need to bind them together.

Let there be choice!

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

This sounds like gossip. The word on the street is...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Any reason why youtube-dl hasn't filed a counter-takedown notice?

Copy-pasting a comment of mine from a related thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24886260 ): They might decide not to counter-notice, because there's a big trap in the DMCA counter-notice: as far as I know, for a DMCA counter-notice to be valid, the one doing the counter-notice must agree to be bound to the jurisdiction of an USA court. If the youtube-dl author is not from the USA (I think he's from the EU…

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