Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

Post by ghthor » Mon, Nov 02, 2020, 12:38 AM UTC

cycomanic wrote: post #255

ghthor wrote: post #133

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I wouldn't help the Biden campaign either if I was police, after they stocked the flames of a movement that literally chanted about wrapping cops up and setting them on fire.

Let's consider that what you are saying is true, are you suggesting that the police should only help people that they politically agree with, because it really sounds like it? Do you believe that is a healthy police force in a democracy?

Post by TMWNN » Mon, Nov 02, 2020, 2:29 AM UTC

morelisp wrote: post #98

nautilus12 wrote: post #92

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The fact that the rubrik for interaction is "being yelled at" or "attacked", and not just "being approached in civil discussion" of any kind is telling of how one side has lost site of the whole point of "civics"

> one side has lost [sight] of the whole point of "civics" Today the president voiced approval for his supporters literally running his opponents' supporters off the road.

Post by TMWNN » Mon, Nov 02, 2020, 2:38 AM UTC

knorker wrote: post #62

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It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.

You call it "not practical", I call the alternative "not effective". Case in point: In Sweden any politician, and mainstream society in general, who even hinted at reducing immigration has been called a heartless racist for the last 30 years, completely shutting down debate. The effect of this was predictable (indeed I've been saying it for about two decades): MORE people become anti-immigrant. (the Sweden Democrats…

Post by mcphage » Mon, Nov 02, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

kls wrote: post #266

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> In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left" Perhaps because there were no signs or indications it was politically motivated? > What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions. Then you'll love this: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-... And also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3... And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so we call out facts, and for the record I am not right wing. But the second article is false on its face a self claimed hard left antifa associate killed someone in portland less than a month ago. So the claim that there has been no death puts the whole article in the making stuff up as they go along camp. As for the first article I would agree with the DHS's assessment and it gets to the heart of why each side…

Post by pas » Mon, Nov 02, 2020, 9:47 AM UTC

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #179

youareostriches wrote: post #90

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Fascism is a political strategy involving fear of change and scapegoating. If you’re trying to imply that use of force automatically translates to fascism, then you need to consider situations of community defense against fascists, which ultimately requires force. Self-defense and defending democratic rights is quite different from terroristic violence in the service of subverting democratic and human rights. I reser…

Authoritarianism would probably better describe the modern left and that's plenty bad, even if for different reasons. Like many in the US, I don't support the right but I don't support the modern left either and they ought to be very worried about that.