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I applaud your ability to keep politics out of work. We created a hard rule at our company in 2016: No politics / No religion. Most humans are incapable of discussing these topics rationally, and it only serves to increase division at work. One person could not handle the idea of not being politically active at work, and we discovered after she quit that almost everyone was happier no having her toxic commentary omni…
How would your company have dealt with a "Trump/Pence 2016" laptop sticker? What about a request to get time off to vote? What if someone came to HR and said they felt they were being treated differently by their boss because they posted a news article that mentioned politics and religion in the team's Slack channel, and they think their boss considered that a sneaky attempt to circumvent your strict "no politics / n…
Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share
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I don't know the local laws, but isn't there a minimal distance between cars in the runway? The truck was too close to the bus.
Tailgating is a thing, but so is not merging when unsafe to merge as well as splitting lanes is a thing you should not do (motorcycles excepted in some states).
Only california, fwiw.
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Not too long ago, maybe 4 months ago I saw an article posted on HN which was along the lines of moderates are more dangerous than the enemy, because they empower the other side. It was a fairly radical piece obviously slanted towards hard-left economic policies. I found the comments to mostly be in agreement and pretty depressing given that I am fairly moderate, I lean a little to the right on economic and personal r…
This isn't new though. If you read MLKs letter from Birmingham jail you'll see he's also super vocal against moderates. The issue is moderate really ends up meaning status quo (with basic changes), which if it's not clear a ton of people are suffering under the status quo. So when you're a moderate you're in a way putting your seal of approval to the status quo, which ends up being pretty harmful for those who want t…
MLK is human he was capable of flawed logic just as all of us humans are. While I too revere him, invoking his disdain for moderates is a appeal to authority and does not make it a fact. I could similarly invoke Malcolm X and his realization in the end that, it was in fact not moderates but the people who thought they were helping that did the most harm (in his word radical white liberals). Both where wise men, both had irrational thoughts, as well as very rational lessons to teach humanity. But the fact that MLK saw moderates as a problem, speaks to the fact that while MLK moved more towards Malcolm's position, Malcolm, being an intelligent man as well, saw that his position was radical and moved towards pacifism and moderation. Where MLK started out. Neither were correct and both being intelligent moved their position, something that the dogmatic radicals of today's age have a hard time doing. Had MLK lived long enough he would have seen the error in his judgement. Unfortunately he was stricken down by a radical of a different belief system. Do you see the lesson in that? Is the lesson that the moderates helped the radical white supremacist? Or is it that radicals of all cloths, are full of hate?
Malcolm talked about that hate, and how it consumed him, that was a true from the heart message and it got him killed. In all respects humanity has more to learn from Malcolm given that he started out extremely flawed and hateful and thru educating himself and experience he reshaped his understanding of the world and reached the conclusion that what he wanted for the black man, does not need to be taken from the white man and that compassion for all man is the key, to ending the cycle. You see radicals (of all walks of life) want revenge. Revenge is a cycle, when what you should be seaking is justice. You can cloke it in whatever language you would like, but if the desire comes from hate it is revenge. Justice comes from sorrow but the realization that atonement has to happen.
Moderates by their very nature where not involved in MLK's death. They did not enable it, they did not condone it, they wanted nothing to do with it. Yet by your claim is that they did. I will spell it out clearly radicals on both sides are the problem, because you want to make everyone that does not eat your dogma the enemy, and your heart seeks revenge, to the point that it will take revenge on the innocent. The moderate majority is getting sick of it. Sorry for the harsh words but it's tough love time.
To be very clear I am not your enemy, I am a pacifist. I wish no harm to any human. I call them as I see them and I see the dogma of hate on both sides. I will stay where I am at, grounded in my pacifist principles, if that is worthy of calling me the enemy than so be it, but be very clear in your mind, you are labeling me an enemy, not the other way around and that strikes to the very heart of this very flawed thinking. Dogmatic ideology necessitates enemies, the prescription for that enemy is any that disagree with the dogma. Your dogma is creating the enemy not the other way around. This is at the very heart of why Malcolm left the Nation of Islam and why they saw him as such a threat. Malcolm shed the dogma, the Nation of Islam did not, we know who were the perpetrators of violence, thus who saw who as the enemy.
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"Do we have to show tolerance to the intolerant?" is not the newest question in the book, and historians will probably tell you that in fact free societies stay free if they draw a clear line what is unaccepted behaviour. Liberty is always a balance act, because if you give bad actors freedom in the name of tolerance they will use it to reduce the freedom of weaker actors within society. If you live in a "survival of…
> "Do we have to show tolerance to the intolerant?" is not the newest question in the book Lately it seems to be the most misrepresented part of Popper's "paradox of intolerance", where he defines intolerance as those who resort to violence instead of speech, and the would be censors of this age who bring up the paradox - without seeming to have read it - tell us that the intolerant are those we disagree with. "we" b…
US law already makes speech that incites violence illegal. There is plenty for you to learn in this area.
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No, the violence like actually killing people.
You mean this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol... ? In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left", as fringe people do crazy things, and there are enough fringe people on both sides. What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.
Perhaps because there were no signs or indications it was politically motivated?
> What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.
Then you'll love this: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...
And also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3...
And so on, and so on, and so on.
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You mean this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol... ? In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left", as fringe people do crazy things, and there are enough fringe people on both sides. What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.
> In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left" Perhaps because there were no signs or indications it was politically motivated? > What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions. Then you'll love this: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-... And also this: https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-3... And so on, and so on, and so on.
As for the first article I would agree with the DHS's assessment and it gets to the heart of why each side commits violence. The radical left tends to see violence as a means to get what they want (think a child throwing a temper tantrum). The radical right tends to see violence as a declaration of war (think the OK city bombing). When the left commits violence it tends to be against the populus that they believe disagrees with them and that violence tends to stem from a "how dare you disagree with me mentality". When the right commits violence it is generally against the government and is generally a mentality more akin to a suicide bomber. I can certainly see where the government would find one form of violence more concerning that the other even if the touch points of one side are more frequent than the other. Make no mistake about it, right leaning violence intent is to be more deadly and more violent than left leaning as they are not intent on getting what they want, they are intent on revenge whatever the cost.
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#267A better question to ask, rather than the one this poll puts forth (why are Americans scared to share their political views), is "why do people feel the need to share their political views at all?" The reason for this is because people do not spend their time wisely. Instead of trying to convince equally powerless people to see reality in some manner which doesn't matter, the logical thing to do is work to increase y…
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Most humans can't discuss those topics rationally. It's not arrogant to say this, it's just basic truth. Throughout history, work hasn't been a social club, because everybody has a different preferred social environment and if you add in a social club then the thing people are getting paid for (work) is much harder to focus on. Your comment itself shows how passionate you are about political or social issues, which i…
> “ Most humans can't discuss those topics rationally. It's not arrogant to say this, it's just basic truth.” No, this is a deeply arrogant and harmful thing to say. When it comes to beliefs, nearly anything that tries to generalize to “most humans” is at best arrogant ignorance and at worst actively repressive.
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I agree. At the end of the day, who are we protecting when we silence hate speech? Are we suggesting that we ourselves cannot handle hearing and rejecting the speech, or are we suggesting that other adults should not even hear hate speech because they might be influenced? Either of those is a profound infantilization of the public. I am capable of hearing hate speech and rejecting it. I trust most other mature adults…
Umm, have you seen the public recently? If you don't need protection, great! But hate speech emboldens bigots. It has a chilling effect.
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It often is, but sometimes those rights are only imagined rights. Does a right extremist have a right to have his race free from other races? You say yourself that rights are sometimes at conflict with each other. That requires that sometimes rights are restricted to a point that other rights are not infringed. For instance we lock up dangerous people. Why do you think is freedom of speech is some kind of super-right…
Therein lies the subjectivity. One person interprets neo Nazis rallies as inciting genocide. Another interprets it as a bunch of harmless nuts on parade.