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Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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Holy hell, I dislike certain politicians as much as the next guy, but punishing people at work for making donations is absolutely ludicrous. Do you have a link to where you got this data?

It’s from the article O_o

Gah! I was caught. I’ll read it now.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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> but we will have the answer Nov 4. Things I've learnt in the last 2 months, Americans have real problems counting votes. I'm not talking about disputed votes (hanging chads), I'm talking about real actual undisputable votes. Also seem to be problems with the concept of free and fair voting - people having to queue for hours to vote is a sign of voter suppression, not of a healthy democracy. In the UK, we vote eithe…

It will "take days" because it's expected mailed in votes will arrive after the Nov. 3 in jurisdictions where mailed-in votes are expected to be consequential. So a mailed in vote that needs to be tallied may not arrive to be counted till Nov 5 or 6 or 9 (depending on state deadline).

So it's because the states allow votes with a postmark of election day, even if it takes 2 months to arrive?

How do you know every vote is counted without a cut off period defined? It can take years to deliver some mail: https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-05-29/soldier-s-letter-...

If the margin is less than the number of unreturned postal votes, surely there will be a question which can never be answered.

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Do you have any links to examples of moderate views that will get one cancelled? I would be really interested in this topic.

? Most cancellations are of moderates. JK Rowling's view that Women, and Men who transition to women, while they should have 'equal rights' - are not the same thing, that there is a difference and that difference should be respected - got her cancelled. They are out for here in droves. This is a mainstream view and probably extremely popular. In fact, outside of hyperbolic politics I'll be basically anyone that even…

It's interesting that you mention the KPD, one of the founders Rosa Luxemburgs most famous quote is "Freedom is always, and exclusively, freedom for the one who thinks differently." it should also be pointed out that she was killed by freikorps, who were also used by the "moderate" social Democrats to squash the spartacus uprising. Freikorps for those not so familiar with German history were essentially far right militia groups. So things are by far not as black and white as you make it out.

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Meanwhile a convoy of armed Trump supporters literally tried to run the Biden campaign bus off the road [1]. That's the reality Trump supporters are using fascist tactics (and I'm not exaggerating here, these acts are rightbout of a fascist playbook) while complaining that liberals say mean things to them. [1] https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... BTW there are reports that police refused to…

I wouldn't help the Biden campaign either if I was police, after they stocked the flames of a movement that literally chanted about wrapping cops up and setting them on fire.

Even if what you are saying is true, are you suggesting that the police should only help people that they politically agree with, because it really sounds like it.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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post #133

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Meanwhile a convoy of armed Trump supporters literally tried to run the Biden campaign bus off the road [1]. That's the reality Trump supporters are using fascist tactics (and I'm not exaggerating here, these acts are rightbout of a fascist playbook) while complaining that liberals say mean things to them. [1] https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... BTW there are reports that police refused to…

I wouldn't help the Biden campaign either if I was police, after they stocked the flames of a movement that literally chanted about wrapping cops up and setting them on fire.

Let's consider that what you are saying is true, are you suggesting that the police should only help people that they politically agree with, because it really sounds like it?

Do you believe that is a healthy police force in a democracy?

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I honestly think that social networks where you connect the whole world were a bad idea. Basing it on ads and thus engagement made it toxic. Political left and right both formed extreme wings that attack moderate opinions for not being extreme enough. The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. We need to get rid of engagement algorithms and actively try to counter…

> The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. Violence like setting up guillotines in front of Bezos' house in Washington? Violence like when the Trump supporters held parades, shops were looted, people were beaten, buildings were burnt, and police were assaulted? So much so that shops boarded themselves days before the parades? Violence like protesters threatening…

No, the violence like actually killing people.

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post #150

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"Basic rights" is a subjective term and they're often in conflict with each other. Pro-choice vs pro-life being the classic example. If you believe freedom of speech is a basic right, then you should also believe in protecting the right of bigots to spread diatribe.

It often is, but sometimes those rights are only imagined rights. Does a right extremist have a right to have his race free from other races? You say yourself that rights are sometimes at conflict with each other. That requires that sometimes rights are restricted to a point that other rights are not infringed. For instance we lock up dangerous people. Why do you think is freedom of speech is some kind of super-right…

Therein lies the subjectivity. One person interprets neo Nazis rallies as inciting genocide. Another interprets it as a bunch of harmless nuts on parade.

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> The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. Violence like setting up guillotines in front of Bezos' house in Washington? Violence like when the Trump supporters held parades, shops were looted, people were beaten, buildings were burnt, and police were assaulted? So much so that shops boarded themselves days before the parades? Violence like protesters threatening…

No, the violence like actually killing people.

You mean this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol...? In all seriousness, though, I wouldn't attribute it to "the left", as fringe people do crazy things, and there are enough fringe people on both sides. What matters are patterns of organizations and institutions.

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It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.

A high profile executive working for a corporation in Iran will be fired and possibly arrested if they start talking about the government's stance on women's rights. Likewise in the USA if some executive talks about babies' rights they'll probably be fired and some smear campaign will be launched against them. Likewise in China vocal criticism of the CCP will probably lead to bad consequences. I would encourage Ameri…

We don't need a hypothetical. There are high profile Iranians who have been executed, after the confessed to a crime they didn't commit after being tortured, for speaking out against their government. Navid Afkari being the most recent example. For the record, China executes more people than any other country with Iran coming in behind them.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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I honestly think that social networks where you connect the whole world were a bad idea. Basing it on ads and thus engagement made it toxic. Political left and right both formed extreme wings that attack moderate opinions for not being extreme enough. The right is often threatening violence while the left is trying to get you fired from your job. We need to get rid of engagement algorithms and actively try to counter…

I think that instead of trying to counter echo chambers and trying to change everybody's mind with moderate content, we need to strengthen them and stop making people clash. The problem with social media is that it isn't enough like real life, where I have a choice of whose opinion I have to hear. Therefore, I propose a system whereby the participants don't see content that's objectionable to them. The highest rated…

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