Seeing all these knee jerk anti-lockdown, anti-government, anti-rules, posts claiming beyond all reason that Australia just magically has no cases because of some statistical quirk or something really shows how many people will just never accept any kind of government intervention was beneficial even when blatantly obvious.
No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
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Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I do worry about the US though Europe isn't looking much different right now.
Why is Europe's status something to care about in the U.S.? China is basically operating on all cylinders right now. It's insane how people in the U.S. don't get the damage that's being done on literally all fronts right now. The past year has had irreparable damage to the U.S. It's hard to know where to even start, from slow production due to job loss and just everything going slower, poor health due to active cases…
What China is able to do should be irrelevant to any country considering itself a democracy that respects human rights.
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
where did you get the 4,000-7,000 figure? There were 3,048 suicides in Australia in 2018[1]. Data from the Victorian coroner shows that there's been roughly the same number of suicides in the state this year up to August 27 as last year(466 this year vs. 468 last year)[2]. [1] https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/suicide-an... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-27/no-spike-in-suicide-r...
Don't take this the wrong way, but did you read your own source? It literally proves my point. >"We still think we're going to see, over the course of a 12-month period … and then subsequent years, in the order of 30 per cent increase [in] suicide rates," he said. 30% of 3,048 is 914. 5 years of that is 4,572 additional suicides. I got the 5 years data point from the Australian Medical Association. [1] [1] https://am…
By what mechanism does a lockdown ending in 2020 cause 30% spike in suicides in 2024?
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#94To those citing weather as a likely influence, I'm not sure I agree. Given the graph provided by the linked site, it looks like cases started really dipping in late August. August and September are still bloody cold in Melbourne, where most of the cases have been recorded. Additionally, Australia is heading into a La Nina summer, generally characterised by a slower onset of warmer weather and greater average rainfall…
It's also pretty easy to find counterexamples. For example, COVID numbers in India started exploding in May, which is also the hottest month throughout most of the country.
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#95Apparently it is relatively easy to control this virus during the summer, and almost impossible during the winter. Australia's summer seems to be helping it a good deal, even as winter in the northern hemisphere is making things much worse.
Here in New Zealand the virus was eradicated in the winter, then again in the late winter/spring. Did the US and UK control it in their summers?
NZ completely closed the borders. That's a huge factor.
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#96Good luck y’all! Life in Thailand has been pretty awesome (if you don’t rely on tourist dollars) since we hit this point some months back. At this point when the occasional bizarre local case does show up (and one or two have here) the government can go nuts on contact tracing and make sure it stays under control.
Ha ha! That's what my friends in KL and Penang were telling me in August. Just wait until the king comes home from France, and insists that his 100 or so favorite hookers skip quarantine :-( Seriously, I think that we'll have to live with one Southeast Asian country (including Australia) having an outbreak at any given time.
I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say with the last sentence there. For one, the outbreaks in Indonesia and the Philippines show no sign of abating.
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#97Seeing all these knee jerk anti-lockdown, anti-government, anti-rules, posts claiming beyond all reason that Australia just magically has no cases because of some statistical quirk or something really shows how many people will just never accept any kind of government intervention was beneficial even when blatantly obvious.
Your comment doesn't really add much value to the discussion, but seeing as you are a new account, I would suggest lurking a bit more.
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#98Melbournian here. It's now time to Get On The Beers. Edit: Donuts.
Something from higher up the shelf maybe
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#99If you told six month ago me that we'd be treating people who are high risk of this disease the same as people with low risk I would have been in complete disbelief.
Yeah let's get all the young people infected, having one percent of that population die is fine right? Next, they'll surely never talk to the people at risk. Their grandparents can sit at home and be more bored to death and lonely than they usually already are and have young people, which are allowed out, to bring them food. Couldn't possibly go wrong. How do you picture different kinds of measures per risk group goi…
> Yeah let's get all the young people infected, having one percent of that population die is fine right?
Are you really claiming with a straight face that the chance of a young person who gets infected dying is 1/100?
Would love to see you try to provide a source for that...
Re: No new locally-acquired coronavirus cases in Australia yesterday
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's unbelievable is that we started this pandemic by treating people as if we knew nothing not only about this virus, but also by throwing all ARDS experience to the trash. I will remember our experts telling us to intubate early and withhold steroids for a very long time. We killed a lot of people because a minority wanted to show off. This is depressing.
Experts didn't suggest withholding steroids just because they wanted to show off. Doctors in the field withheld steroids because the steroids they were giving patients with covid-19 was actively killing them. It took a long time to find out what steroids could safely be used for treatment
When I say 'we killed', it's myself included in a very personal way. I am an ICU doctor working on the frontline at one of the largest european university hospitals. And I am not a resident anymore.
Yes, they were show-offs and they still are. There is no justification for throwing away years of clinical experience with ARDS based on the personal opinions of a few who want to steal the spotlight by relying on novelty. They deserve to be despised, and I can say that with full confidence because I know a few of them personally.