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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

hated wrote: post #237
dheera wrote: post #207

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What if one were to unplug the cellular antenna and prevent an update from happening? Or does the car detect that condition and yell at you? Reminds me of DJI drones which every now and then ask you if you want to update the software, but updating the software only would cause you to have more restrictions on your flight, not less.

You don't need to leave the antenna unplugged as that could trigger detection or burn up the antenna signal amplifier. You can put a dummy load on the antenna connector instead, nothing whatsoever will be able to detect it, and the radio hardware will never send or receive any signals.

Well, the software could have a deadman switch that locks up when they can't phone home for a while?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

dombesz wrote: post #205
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #189

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Duster This thing is definitely not internet connected. The basic trim does not even feature a radio at all, only standard space to fit a 1-DIN radio yourself. It has manual (roll down) rear windows. I don't know about the US, but I would be surprised if you can't buy an F150 that has no internet connection?

Yeah, the majority of Dacia models doesn't even come with an air conditioning by default. It's extra, but you know what, I like the idea that it can be left out :)

Air conditioning didn't really use to be a standard thing in European cars until quite a lot later than in the US.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

dundarious wrote: post #188
Shivetya wrote: post #178

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I will be blunt, I really wish "salvage" cars had no right to exist. There is insufficient consistency between states as to what can be titled as such and still driven on our roads. You can get on the road most of the time just fixing cosmetic items and inspection in some states more concerned with emissions than much else; some states don't even check for working ABS or airbags. I think companies like Tesla are corr…

The article claims that many cars are declared "salvage" merely due to Tesla's expensive repairs, which they claim is caused by their (unique?) restrictions on parts availability. As such, Tesla would arguably be responsible for the fact that the cars are "salvage" in the first place. I'm strongly in favor of greater re-use of these enormous machines that require intense capital investment, and valuable and limited r…

> I'm strongly in favor of greater re-use of these enormous machines that require intense capital investment, and valuable and limited resources to create.

Yes, though as long as Tesla is up-front about their restrictions, people can take those considerations into account when they make their capital investment.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

bookofjoe wrote: post #209
black_puppydog wrote: post #164

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If use of an object requires an ongoing contractual relationship with a specific entity, you don't own it. I know that people here won't be super surprised by this concept, but I still think it's worth getting the wording right. Just as with music and videos and games, I think one should be disallowed from calling something "selling", "buying" or "owning" if what's really being done is "licensing". Yeah, I'm from the…

I once read that the test of whether or not you own something is, "Can you sell it?" In this vein, movies and TV shows you "buy" from Apple, Amazon, etc. are not yours.

Then some things are owned by nobody. See eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fideicommissum

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

dheera wrote: post #208
hedora wrote: post #185

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I think HOAs are a scam. We recently bought a house, and simply didn’t consider anything with an HOA fee (we made exceptions and considered arrangements where the HOA was limited to private road maintenance). I doubt we’re the only ones; the HOA depresses the price of the house. In my mind, a house + HOA = condo, regardless of whether it shares a wall with someone else, and we’d pay accordingly (50-66% as much, tops)…

I don't own a home but if I did I sure as hell am not paying any fees to some scammers and sure as hell am not listening to some idiots who think they have any say about how I landscape my yard. HOAs are evil and I wish they could be outlawed.

What kind of change in law would you like to see that would outlaw them?

As far as I can tell, aren't HOAs just 'built' out of standard contract law?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by muzika »

vonseel wrote: post #248
GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

Does it disable the ability to charge, or the ability to fast charge? Certainly they can't prevent you from charging and driving around your wrecked Tesla on your farm or whatever?

DC fast charging gets disabled.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by tjoff »

eru wrote: post #251
hated wrote: post #237

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You don't need to leave the antenna unplugged as that could trigger detection or burn up the antenna signal amplifier. You can put a dummy load on the antenna connector instead, nothing whatsoever will be able to detect it, and the radio hardware will never send or receive any signals.

Well, the software could have a deadman switch that locks up when they can't phone home for a while?

It communicates with the charger, right? So the charger could just go online and refuse service.

Don't fix shitty products.

Don't buy them in the first place or we won't have anything nice left.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by nickserv »

vaccinator wrote: post #133
GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself. This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

Yup, this is part of the reason I just bought a Dacia Dokker. Another reason is that there's no touch screen anywhere.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by nickserv »

dogma1138 wrote: post #142
dragosmocrii wrote: post #74

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I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

On one hand they shouldn’t on another hand “performance modes” are often priced based on the wear and tear they induce and it’s impact on the manufacturer warranty in terms of servicing costs. Even before Tesla you already had car manufacturers that basically locked out performance behind a pay wall even tho the car itself was identical to the “sport model”. Many of the German manufacturers had this practice for a de…

In some (many?) cases, performance is limited on a motor by the ECU because the hardware is unable to cope with the extra wear.

For example same block, heads and intake but different (cheaper) pistons, valves, springs, injectors, etc ... Sure you can easily dial up the power on the cheaper engine to match the expensive one, but at a higher risk of breakdown.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by nickserv »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #186
noizejoy wrote: post #170

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> Updates to things I trust my family's life and health to should be classified like recalls But modern luxury cars also feature many components that have little to do with safety.

If insignificant accessories are properly isolated then I suppose such 'updates' can just be optional patches. But if a media center bug means someone can cause my car to break hard or swerve then even those should be classified as recalls.

If any kind of common sense is used, entertainment and control systems are on completely different hardware busses.
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