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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You pay for software updates/upgrades on your PC, right? No...?

How is that? Every new Adobe Creator package used to have a different price(e.g cs3, cs4) Now you can't even upgrade. You pay monthly subscriptions. You pay for OS upgrades as well(i.e win vista, 7, 10 etc)

That's the subscription model.

I don't think Telsa falls under this unless they let you take a car for free and require you to pay monthly for the car to actually turn on.

That's more of a zipcar.

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post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

How long until a politically motivated hacker does the same thing to that manufactures entire fleet until the manufacturer stops they odious practice?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself.

This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh.

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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I really want a Tesla but I would say my biggest misgiving is the perceived lack of “ownership”. I can’t really take it in for third party repairs. They seem to refer to me as part of their “fleet”. What data are they collecting? I can’t use it on Uber?

You have to give Tesla 30% if you use it for Ubering... /s

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#135
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All I want is the work truck equivalent. I don't want all the features. I want it to be cheap and just have basic features. It needs to be reasonably repairable too.

Chevy is putting together an electric conversion kit: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/chevrolet-readies-an-el...

I think solutions like this will be best for the near future for folks who want a car with an electric motor, rather than a cell phone you can rent to drive places.

It seems like every manufacturer is generally going higher and higher grade on feature set and (some) performance metrics, and saying "screw you" basically to maintenance, repairability and general comprehensibility concerns.

The cars I've owned from the 60's up through the 90's all had wiring diagrams that would fit on a few pages and could be maintained, largely, with a handful of tools in a normal suburban driveway. Newer cars seem more and more to require specialized tools or equipment and are harder to debug. Generally the maintenance / repair process is aimed at shops and professionals, not the end user. This specialization is brittle, and unlikely to survive any significant systemic shocks. We've been locking ourselves into this model for decades, and I don't see an easy way out.

I look forward to some high quality open source EV hardware becoming available eventually. That's probably when I'll get an electric car.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

Owners of photoshop don't get free updates even though they own their computer. Software costs money to develop so saying all updates should be free simply because they already own the hardware doesn't makes any sense.

A more fitting analogy would be Windows. For Performance Updates, they don't charge money. Nor did they asked for updates for previous versions too. Adobe Is Subscription based while in Case of Tesla you pay for a lifetime ownership of a product rather than buying a service.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#137

None of this adds up -- there must be details missing. First, if a dealer advertises a car with a feature and the car is missing that feature, then you have recourse -- with the dealer. Second, how does Tesla even know that a car has changed owners? What triggered Tesla disabling the feature at this time for this car? I mean look, if you want to sell your Tesla back to an official Tesla dealer and they have an agreem…

It would be pretty easy to know that someone else is driving the car with all the data that they are gathering.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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post #132
post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

How long until a politically motivated hacker does the same thing to that manufactures entire fleet until the manufacturer stops they odious practice?

How long until a however-motivated hacker permanently bricks the whole fleet? Or at least makes it stand still and mine bitcoin until repaired at a licensed garage?

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

#139
post #7

As I understand, The FSD package (and I guess the performance package too) is linked to the car, not your account. It doesn't follow you from car to car. Then, what is the justification of Telsa's " you did not pay for it" given to second hand owners as seen in this article? This is really disingenuous and in total contradiction with Musk's "your car is an appreciating asset".

> what is the justification of Telsa' [...] "fuck you, give us money".

The Tesla Tyranny. The Musk Mafia. The Enslaving Elon.
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