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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by jellicle »

encom wrote: post #43
KMnO4 wrote: post #5

Maybe Tesla should link these features to a user's account, not the vehicle. If I sell my iPhone, I'm not selling the apps that I have installed on it. A side effect of this approach is that you could get a new Tesla and log in to activate the features you already paid for. If you crash your Model 3 and insurance buys you a new one, should you have to pay for Autopilot again? That said, that approach may piss off peo…

The day I need an account to use my car, is the day I stop driving.

You'll also need an account to use public transit or any sort of taxi service, so...

Bicycles are still good.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by INTPenis »

Tesla is turning out to be an environmental disaster.

Normally a car is serially produced by established factories, and sometimes even re-using parts from other models. And this car will still be in use 20 years later with no restrictions on its features except wear.

While a Tesla is manufactured in a brand new factory with no previous precedence of parts or processes.

And on top of that, it's re-sale usability is apparently garbage. So we'll see a bunch of old Teslas litter nature because no one wants them.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by beefalo »

jpambrun wrote: post #173
marcinzm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, if you buy a non-salvage used car from another individual then the package follows the car. If you buy a salvage car then the package does not follow it as the car is officially junk (it also loses warranty, etc). If you buy a used car from Tesla they will remove the package before sale. There's one case where Tesla apparently messed up and didn't remove the package from a car they re-sold until a…

Wait. So features are onwer AND car bounded? It does not carry to the next owner of the same car and does not carry to the next car of the same owner? At least when going through Tesla dealership? That would be pretty despicable..

On trade ins through tesla yes. They account for paid features in trade in value but then remove them and require used buyers to repurchase them.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by Dahoon »

GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

Any car in the EU that is changed after certification needs to be recertified or have the update tested. The day Tesla updates something that causes someone to get hurt Tesla will be sued into the ground as all software updated cars that haven't had their update tested are illegal. It is also illegal to change a car to make more HP (there's a limit, AFAICR it is at 5%) without getting it recertified. While Tesla don't give a f... about legality some (like me) have been through the process of recertification on way less changes than Tesla does. It is both time-consuming and expensive and the testing was insane. It baffels the mind that none of Tesla's competitors has cried foul yet.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dombesz »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #189
vaccinator wrote: post #133

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But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself. This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Duster This thing is definitely not internet connected. The basic trim does not even feature a radio at all, only standard space to fit a 1-DIN radio yourself. It has manual (roll down) rear windows. I don't know about the US, but I would be surprised if you can't buy an F150 that has no internet connection?

Yeah, the majority of Dacia models doesn't even come with an air conditioning by default. It's extra, but you know what, I like the idea that it can be left out :)

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by sudosysgen »

thefounder wrote: post #116
sudosysgen wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never paid for updates of the drivers in my PC. The software to control the motors of a Tesla is akin to that, and should therefore not be compared to software sold purely.

>> I have never paid for updates of the drivers in my PC. Surely you did. You just didn't pay attention. You paid for a bigger package (i.e new UI)that included driver updates as well.

No, no I didn't. All of the money from that I paid upfront with the hardware.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dheera »

GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

What if one were to unplug the cellular antenna and prevent an update from happening? Or does the car detect that condition and yell at you?

Reminds me of DJI drones which every now and then ask you if you want to update the software, but updating the software only would cause you to have more restrictions on your flight, not less.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dheera »

hedora wrote: post #185
ma2rten wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about buying a house that is part of a HOA?

I think HOAs are a scam. We recently bought a house, and simply didn’t consider anything with an HOA fee (we made exceptions and considered arrangements where the HOA was limited to private road maintenance). I doubt we’re the only ones; the HOA depresses the price of the house. In my mind, a house + HOA = condo, regardless of whether it shares a wall with someone else, and we’d pay accordingly (50-66% as much, tops)…

I don't own a home but if I did I sure as hell am not paying any fees to some scammers and sure as hell am not listening to some idiots who think they have any say about how I landscape my yard.

HOAs are evil and I wish they could be outlawed.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by bookofjoe »

black_puppydog wrote: post #164
judge2020 wrote: post #156

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Surely the people salvaging these cars would be happy to enter into a contract with Tesla to accept all liability (including superchargers/stations) for damages caused by the car they fixed up, then, right? Edit to add from a below comment I made: I mean more in the scenario of a cell going bad, causing a fire, then maybe blowing up the car and causing collateral damage. As I understand it, this would be covered by t…

If use of an object requires an ongoing contractual relationship with a specific entity, you don't own it. I know that people here won't be super surprised by this concept, but I still think it's worth getting the wording right. Just as with music and videos and games, I think one should be disallowed from calling something "selling", "buying" or "owning" if what's really being done is "licensing". Yeah, I'm from the…

I once read that the test of whether or not you own something is, "Can you sell it?" In this vein, movies and TV shows you "buy" from Apple, Amazon, etc. are not yours.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by boogies »

GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

Same except s/connected to the internet/connected to the internet via tivoised software/. I think a car one connected by https://github.com/commaai/openpilot might be cool.
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