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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ok123456 »

judge2020 wrote: post #156
GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

Surely the people salvaging these cars would be happy to enter into a contract with Tesla to accept all liability (including superchargers/stations) for damages caused by the car they fixed up, then, right? Edit to add from a below comment I made: I mean more in the scenario of a cell going bad, causing a fire, then maybe blowing up the car and causing collateral damage. As I understand it, this would be covered by t…

But Tesla is bound by the Magnuson Moss Act. They can't reduce the functionality of a product after the fact.

The charger should be designed to withstand abuse and vandalism. It certainly should be handle a short in a charging system.

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Post by vaccinator »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #189
vaccinator wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself. This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Duster This thing is definitely not internet connected. The basic trim does not even feature a radio at all, only standard space to fit a 1-DIN radio yourself. It has manual (roll down) rear windows. I don't know about the US, but I would be surprised if you can't buy an F150 that has no internet connection?

You probably can buy one with no network connection, that the user can use, but that doesn't mean that it isn't connected for other purposes.

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Post by enragedcacti »

vaccinator wrote: post #133
GhostVII wrote: post #103

The worst part isn't even listed in the article - Tesla is remotely disabling fast charging on all salvage cars across all networks, regardless of what the actual damage is. If it was just limited to the supercharger network I would somewhat understand, it's their network and I don't think it's a huge deal to disallow salvage cars on it. But they are removing the ability to charge even at third party chargers, basica…

But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself. This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

you can go buy a brand new Honda Civic today that has no cellular modem.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by ada1981 »

pdpi wrote: post #179
illumanaughty wrote: post #105

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Owners of photoshop don't get free updates even though they own their computer. Software costs money to develop so saying all updates should be free simply because they already own the hardware doesn't makes any sense.

Right but I didn’t buy my computer from Adobe

Or my car.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by jkepler »

shi314 wrote: post #127
thefounder wrote: post #109

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How is that? Every new Adobe Creator package used to have a different price(e.g cs3, cs4) Now you can't even upgrade. You pay monthly subscriptions. You pay for OS upgrades as well(i.e win vista, 7, 10 etc)

Adobe Suite is a subscription based software solution. It is an inappropriate analogy. Does Microsoft asks for money for performance updates in Windows?

Depends on your license.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by jkepler »

Teever wrote: post #132
ydlr wrote: post #60

How long until Tesla (or any manufacturer) remotely disables the ignition on all used cars until the new owner pays them to turn it back on. Its only fair. After all, the new owner just bought a hunk of metal from the previous owner. They still need to purchase a license for features like starting the car.

How long until a politically motivated hacker does the same thing to that manufactures entire fleet until the manufacturer stops they odious practice?

How long until owners of autonomous vehicles (or vehicles with autonomous mode) demand libre software so that they (or the tech wizards they hire) can make sure there are functional off switches. Otherwise the AI overlords win.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by jdeibele »

thefounder wrote: post #76
dragosmocrii wrote: post #74

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I remember when Tesla issued that paid software update to make your car accelerate 0-100 a 0.1 seconds faster. If the hardware is there unchanged, why should the software update be a paid upgrade? It means the software was not good to begin with. Seems to me Tesla is trying to model a software development business, but they forget they're in the hardware business

You pay for software updates/upgrades on your PC, right? Like it or not you don't own rhings anymore. Neither software or hardware. Everything is going towards subscription models.

I remember hearing that IBM shipped computers with extra processors installed that could be activated if you paid the fee.

In searching for more information, I found https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/POWER5/ipha2_p5/... which talks about activating and deactivating not only processors but extra storage.

It doesn't seem like that would work very well for most laptops and phones, given how people won't pay for online backup or anything above the minimums.

Anyway, IBM had a vision of "computing on demand" many years ago but it wasn't in the cloud, it was in your data center.

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Post by vaccinator »

enragedcacti wrote: post #193
vaccinator wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it is impossible to get a car that is not connected to the internet today, unless you find out how to disconnect it yourself. This near-7-year-old link[0] always make me laugh. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1

you can go buy a brand new Honda Civic today that has no cellular modem.

I'm not doubting you but how did you check your claim? (but either way, no cellular modem doesn't mean no wireless connection)

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by dogma1138 »

dmurray wrote: post #165
dogma1138 wrote: post #142

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On one hand they shouldn’t on another hand “performance modes” are often priced based on the wear and tear they induce and it’s impact on the manufacturer warranty in terms of servicing costs. Even before Tesla you already had car manufacturers that basically locked out performance behind a pay wall even tho the car itself was identical to the “sport model”. Many of the German manufacturers had this practice for a de…

Sounds like once the car is out of warranty and the cost of maintenance falls on the owner, the incentives change and the manufacturer should pay you to run your car in "performance mode".

When the main warranty of the car is gone you still get warranty on the parts and service you pay for out of pocket, from BMW's perspective the cost of the "performance mode" is amortized beyond the initial warranty period too.

We also see this in other things too you have differential pricing in say electronics and electronic components too, sure some of it is binning but not only quite often the "enterprise" tax is just the fact that these parts will be run longer and under more stress so their MTF is different.

An HDD in a home computer will be under very different loads than one in a NAS. And quite often there aren't many physical differences between the drives in some of the lower end models there are no differences at all and in some cases non-NAS drives might actually be "better" than their lower-end NAS counterparts.

What you are paying for when buying a WD RED isn't necessarily a more durable drive, you are essentially paying a premium for future warranty claims, it's essentially an insurance scheme in which WD RED NAS drives are defined as higher risk than say their Black or Blue series.

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