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Sean Connery has died

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Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by implements »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #126
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget he was also an unapologetic advocate of spousal abuse, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38

I'm going to add my reply to be downvoted with the rest of them. There seems to be some unwritten rule that you're only allowed to say good things about people when they die. And I think that rule needs to end. Let's be honest and recognize that people are complex even when they die. Spousal abuse is wrong and people who think it's OK should be called out for that.

Perhaps celebrate the best of people (who are flawed but otherwise good) when they die, and then after a discrete interval acknowledge their faults, too? - Would be my opinion.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by dylan604 »

sideshowb wrote: post #115
kthejoker2 wrote: post #71

I once helped Mr. Connery print something. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hilton in 2004 during Oscars week. I was in the business center on the Internet (this was the dark ages before ubiquitous hotel WiFi and personal devices.) Someone comes in, and then a few minutes later says in a completely unmistakable voice “Excuse me, do you know how to print this?” I immediately jumped into parental IT support mode, it…

Your story reminds me How did Sean Connery shave? ...same as the rest of us, ctrl-s

some of us cmd-s, but point taken

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by globular-toast »

pmoriarty wrote: post #119
mam2 wrote: post #96

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Thats not at all what he says in this video. He says slapping a woman is fine if she is already abusing you. I'd rather walk away than slap personally, because girls like he describe are just a waste of time from experience (even though they usually think it makes them cool lol), but he is NOT advocating abusing at all. He is advocating "slapping" (and making it clear to not punch) to END abuse.

Assault is abuse. It doesn't matter whether you assault someone with an open or closed hand.

It's not that simple. I was smacked as a child because I was a little shit and deserved it. It wasn't abuse. It worked and taught me to respect my parents.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

golemotron wrote: post #121
fao_ wrote: post #101

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I don't think anyone here was saying that we should reduce people to a two-dimensional caricature of themselves. I think the point that was trying to be made was that, this is something people should know about before they decided to unreservedly push this man as a saviour or as a hero, and that giving this knowledge to people allows them to decide how they feel about it, whether they are comfortable with it, and ult…

> Allowing us to be aware and put into context the people that we, as a society, hold up -- people who for all intents and purposes can 'do no wrong'. And deciding whether or not we still want to consume those works, and hold them up on that pedestal, with that information. The thing is, people already know that. Bringing those things up is really just being a downer.. peeing in the punchbowl.

I know, right. How annoying for people to point out public statements endorsing spousal abuse. Gosh, why can’t people just shut their mouths about that kind of thing and let us all more easily ignore it and forget about it. I just want to celebrate the man. “Welcome to the rock” lol he’s so cool. How annoying that some people have to be so whiny and these women who get slapped can’t just shut up and have more respect for the dead. Why do we have to politicize everything. I just want to laugh at SNL parodies of him on Jeopardy. Gee whiz.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by mam2 »

OJFord wrote: post #110
mam2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats not at all what he says in this video. He says slapping a woman is fine if she is already abusing you. I'd rather walk away than slap personally, because girls like he describe are just a waste of time from experience (even though they usually think it makes them cool lol), but he is NOT advocating abusing at all. He is advocating "slapping" (and making it clear to not punch) to END abuse.

I watched because I was curious after your comment, but he doesn't seem to say anything about her being abusive, just not taking your (his/the man's) 'final word'? I was curious because arguably behaving differently according to their gender (i.e. not hitting a woman back) is what would be sexist, (albeit a widely accepted form) but as it is it ('my word is final or I hit you'?) just seems bad regardless of whether t…

I dont think its about gender. I think he talks about a specific type of girls (and possibly guys too but i have not met any in private) who can be very insisting and pushing you contantly to the limit and never leaving you alone in private even if you clearly say "please leave me alone now im done"... so you feel your only last options is to walk away or actually engage in violence. These people sometimes even resort to violence even before you would..

The only gender specific and slightly sexist part of that video is assuming only girls could behave like that (you know the whole "its the periods") but i personally think its not the case its just a type of person.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by pmoriarty »

globular-toast wrote: post #133
pmoriarty wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assault is abuse. It doesn't matter whether you assault someone with an open or closed hand.

It's not that simple. I was smacked as a child because I was a little shit and deserved it. It wasn't abuse. It worked and taught me to respect my parents.

This sounds like Stockholm syndrome.

If you respect people who beat you, it should be despite them beating you, not because of it.

Also, it's been shown that people who were abused as children are more likely to go on to abuse their own children.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by lenkite »

hliyan wrote: post #127
ljm wrote: post #70

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Any living person can hold a reprehensible point of view, and as much as I may disagree with it, I really can't stand this attitude of writing people off because of a flawed perspective. That doesn't mean I support spousal abuse by association, it means I recognise he has a shitty point of view amongst all of his other flaws, as well as his qualities. There isn't a single person in history that can meet this standard…

I wonder about this a lot. I love meat, but I'm fairly certain our descendants will judge us the same way we judge slave owners: we were intelligent, we had the necessary mental ingredients to come to the conclusion that some of the animals we consume possessed some level of sentience, but we were unable to do so due to sheer historical and cultural momentum.

And those descendants will be viewed in horror by their descendants in turn, when they prove that plants have sentience and thoughts.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by psychometry »

birdsbirdsbirds wrote: post #72
psychometry wrote: post #25

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Classy... except for when he talked about physically assaulting women and how that's no big deal.

You have it backwards. It's the concept of class that allows you to use violence to put others in line.

The word "classy" has more than one definition...

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by bradbeattie »

lenkite wrote: post #137
hliyan wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder about this a lot. I love meat, but I'm fairly certain our descendants will judge us the same way we judge slave owners: we were intelligent, we had the necessary mental ingredients to come to the conclusion that some of the animals we consume possessed some level of sentience, but we were unable to do so due to sheer historical and cultural momentum.

And those descendants will be viewed in horror by their descendants in turn, when they prove that plants have sentience and thoughts.

Not to drift too far off topic, but you may be surprised to learn about biomass transfer efficiency. It takes a lot more plant mass to feed to animals than eating those plants directly. This "plants might feel pain too" gotcha doesn't really play out.
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