Sean Connery has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by golemotron » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

fao_ wrote: post #101

ljm wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any living person can hold a reprehensible point of view, and as much as I may disagree with it, I really can't stand this attitude of writing people off because of a flawed perspective. That doesn't mean I support spousal abuse by association, it means I recognise he has a shitty point of view amongst all of his other flaws, as well as his qualities. There isn't a single person in history that can meet this standard…

I don't think anyone here was saying that we should reduce people to a two-dimensional caricature of themselves. I think the point that was trying to be made was that, this is something people should know about before they decided to unreservedly push this man as a saviour or as a hero, and that giving this knowledge to people allows them to decide how they feel about it, whether they are comfortable with it, and ult…

> Allowing us to be aware and put into context the people that we, as a society, hold up -- people who for all intents and purposes can 'do no wrong'. And deciding whether or not we still want to consume those works, and hold them up on that pedestal, with that information.

The thing is, people already know that. Bringing those things up is really just being a downer.. peeing in the punchbowl.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by arghwhat » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

sideshowb wrote: post #115

kthejoker2 wrote: post #71

I once helped Mr. Connery print something. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hilton in 2004 during Oscars week. I was in the business center on the Internet (this was the dark ages before ubiquitous hotel WiFi and personal devices.) Someone comes in, and then a few minutes later says in a completely unmistakable voice “Excuse me, do you know how to print this?” I immediately jumped into parental IT support mode, it…

Your story reminds me How did Sean Connery shave? ...same as the rest of us, ctrl-s

Why would he send XOFF to his terminal to when he wanted to s(h)ave...

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by jayflux » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #15

pratio wrote: post #3

As if 2020 wasn’t worse enough, i was hoping he’d live till the last daniel craig film

Makes me wonder, are there any cameos in Bond movies ?

That old guy you see in Skyfall who helps him setup the home alone traps was supposed to be Connery, but it didn’t happen.

This isn’t really surprising though, Connery stopped associating himself with bond many years ago, so it’s was unlikely he would ever agree to do a cameo.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by hardlianotion » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

eganist wrote: post #60

bborud wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, fortunetaly the movie industry was not a reflection of society. I mean, it's not like any of our parents or grandparents approved of any of this, right?

I mean, they did. That's the implicit critique; it's a relic of a darker time at least in societies that try a bit better today to treat people as peers.

I’m extremely resistant to the idea that this generation is somehow an improvement on previous. It is just different.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by RyJones » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

tannhaeuser wrote: post #10

RIP Also loved his performances in The Name Of The Rose, and 70's weirdo films Robin And Marian and Zardoz. Not a fan of newer Bond films after Roger Moore's which I thought took it too seriously and lacked comedy.

the commentary track for Zardoz is epic. Apparently, Connery was able to pocket some per diem because he lived close to the film set.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by AndyMcConachie » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:09 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #53

Bluestein wrote: post #35

Merchant Navy, milkman, nude model, lifeguard, truck driver, bricklayer, boxer, bodybuilder, street brawler (he once beat a gang of four while hanging out with Michael Caine, and another time, he defeated six people in a street fight.) ... ... and, finally, backstage maintenance worker at the King’s Theatre in Edinburgh. The rest is history.- A 20th century icon.- RIP.-

Don’t forget he was also an unapologetic advocate of spousal abuse, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38

I'm going to add my reply to be downvoted with the rest of them.

There seems to be some unwritten rule that you're only allowed to say good things about people when they die. And I think that rule needs to end. Let's be honest and recognize that people are complex even when they die.

Spousal abuse is wrong and people who think it's OK should be called out for that.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by hliyan » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:16 PM UTC

ljm wrote: post #70

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget he was also an unapologetic advocate of spousal abuse, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38

Any living person can hold a reprehensible point of view, and as much as I may disagree with it, I really can't stand this attitude of writing people off because of a flawed perspective. That doesn't mean I support spousal abuse by association, it means I recognise he has a shitty point of view amongst all of his other flaws, as well as his qualities. There isn't a single person in history that can meet this standard…

I wonder about this a lot. I love meat, but I'm fairly certain our descendants will judge us the same way we judge slave owners: we were intelligent, we had the necessary mental ingredients to come to the conclusion that some of the animals we consume possessed some level of sentience, but we were unable to do so due to sheer historical and cultural momentum.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by parenthesis » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

at_a_remove wrote: post #21

Whenever someone of this stature goes, I tend to gather together their films, what I have of them, and work through them. So here I am looking at Outland (which isn't as terrible as Harlan Ellison said but goodness it isn't great), Zardoz , In the Name of the Rose , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (it's fun, I will grant it that), Time Bandits and was left wondering: what films had his iconic performances? What…

Finding Forrester has I think perhaps his greatest performance.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by scop » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

Trebek wins

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Post by mam2 » Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #119

mam2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats not at all what he says in this video. He says slapping a woman is fine if she is already abusing you. I'd rather walk away than slap personally, because girls like he describe are just a waste of time from experience (even though they usually think it makes them cool lol), but he is NOT advocating abusing at all. He is advocating "slapping" (and making it clear to not punch) to END abuse.

Assault is abuse. It doesn't matter whether you assault someone with an open or closed hand.

Abuse is abuse. Separating physical abuse from moral abuse and thiniking it is worse is a very modern idea.

Before, slapping a child was not abuse, now it is. But that doesnt mean before the abuse of children did not exist, just that a slap was not considered abuse if it was justified.

Personally i think moral abuse can be far far worse than physical... in part because people have harder times to take the decision to leave.

Im not even defending sean connery's point here, just trying to make some sense in why he could be something else than THE BIG EVIL for having this opinion at that time.