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If someone was killing my pets, while paying me reasonable compensation, I would also be pissed off at the arrangement. Some things money can't buy.
Cattle, not pets
Even if I get good money as compensation, I'd resent it, and much prefer to have my possessions left in peace.
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> a single valid solution Shoot the wolves is a single valid solution. But you don't want to hear it. And I think you don't know how shepherd dogs work. Otherwise you would have dismissed that as a valid solution too.
They are more valuable alive than dead. > You don't know how shepherd dogs work Sorry but the facts speak loudly. Last month I had personally visited the area of Europe with a biggest density of wolves (excepting maybe Chernobyl). We tried, and failed, to see a single wolf. There were cows munching all around. There was deer scattered all around the valley. I walked the oak forest alone without any problem. In this a…
You really think farmers should go back to being sheep herders.
You really think that’s viable.
Wow.
It’s Europe. The sheep herders you mentioned are heavily subsidized, either by the government or by NGO’s. That’s not a viable solution for farmers at all.
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If someone was killing my pets, while paying me reasonable compensation, I would also be pissed off at the arrangement. Some things money can't buy.
Cattle, not pets
Weird thing to play with a bunny and eat it couple of months later. First lessons in the circle of life.
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You could also open up more elk tags. Plenty of hunters more than happy to take down a bull and have a packed freezer. Lottery systems to pull tags are not easy, especially for out of state folks.
The difference is that wolves tend to take the weaker members of the herds which strengthens the herd overall, but hunters tend to focus on the stronger members.
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I lived in NE WA and still have property there (working our way back out there). The hubris and ignorance displayed by many wolf management critics often knows no bounds. They are often completely unaware of how range land is priced and managed nor how the wolf management program works. However, with all the concern expressed for the gray wolf, I have yet to see wolves re-introduced into the many acres of protected g…
Well, it seems like education on the topic would be a good start. Do you know of any good introductions to the topic for laymen?
Washington State Dept of Natural Resources - Grazing (Leasing/Contracts) https://www.dnr.wa.gov/programs-and-services/product-sales-a...
Some Indian tribes (maybe just the Colville Confederated Tribes) have their own rules for range area management but they are similar to WA state rules.
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You are dramatically overstating the north-south divide in Wisconsin and the idea that “Southern Wisconsinites like the idea of having a wolf population” is the primary concern here is just insulting. In particular, while rural people are (quite understandably) more anti-wolf than urban people, the difference is not nearly as large as you suggest. And a huge part of the existing difference is about deer hunting compe…
I think city people should keep their opinions to themselves. You don't ask people in rural areas how cities should be organised either.
Making this a city-slickers vs country-bumpkins debate is just an exercise in resentment politics that obscures the actual debate.
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They are more valuable alive than dead. > You don't know how shepherd dogs work Sorry but the facts speak loudly. Last month I had personally visited the area of Europe with a biggest density of wolves (excepting maybe Chernobyl). We tried, and failed, to see a single wolf. There were cows munching all around. There was deer scattered all around the valley. I walked the oak forest alone without any problem. In this a…
So you want farmers to return to the practices of 4000 year ago. Please come back to earth. You really think farmers should go back to being sheep herders. You really think that’s viable. Wow. It’s Europe. The sheep herders you mentioned are heavily subsidized, either by the government or by NGO’s. That’s not a viable solution for farmers at all.
Until today, nobody has managed to teach sheep how to milk themselves in a machine and send the product by certified mail.
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The argument is that farmers (or anyone else) actually do have a right to protect/defend their property (livestock are property). So when the government says that you can't protect your property if the thing killing it is a wolf, then farmers get very frustrated because they feel like their freedom/rights have been controlled or taken away from the government. To put the farmer's perspective another way: Everyone has…
That's what fences are for
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It's not unreasonable. Wolves are among the few predators that can and will attack humans . That the wolves, themselves, now have a deep-set fear of humanity and would only dare to do so if they're desperate and starving... is a distant second to that same deep-set cultural fear of wolves. Unpopular Opinion Time: The ecosystem damage from not having apex predators is large enough that it might be worth a few human li…
> Wolves are among the few predators that can and will attack humans Well...I live in a place where we have (in my back yard, except for Bison) all the megafauna present since the ice age. In order of practical danger (most to least), they rank like this: Moose, Bear, Cougar, Snakes, ... Wolves. People are regularly attacked by Moose and fatalities have occurred in the past few decades. People are eaten by bears ever…