Gray Wolves to Be Removed from Endangered Species List

Post by hiimtroymclure » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

pcmaffey wrote: post #166

hiimtroymclure wrote: post #145

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Ive been hunting my whole life. I've still yet to encounter someone who did it for the 'killing'. It's about fresh food, cultural traditions, and conservation. The modern hunter does more for the environment than most who sit behind a computer all day. You should take a intro course on hunting and understanding the carrying capacity of an environment impacts how tags are issued. Sidenote => I also love to fish. I fin…

> It's about fresh food, cultural traditions, and conservation. You don't eat wolves. No one you know grew up hunting them. Killing a (still) endangered species is not about conservation, in fact, it's closer to the opposite based on everything we know. I'm talking about killing for sport, which is what wolf hunting is all about on an individual level (on a government level, it's about the political showmanship of pr…

Post by rmah » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

Ericson2314 wrote: post #2

Yeah this is a bit premature. I dunno why we don't just pay the ranchers for livestock killed (it's pretty rare) and everyone goes home happy? Apex predator reintroduction is a good litmus test for how much conservation we can stomach, so I think it's important that we get this right.

Post by rmah » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #126

Filligree wrote: post #109

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It's not unreasonable. Wolves are among the few predators that can and will attack humans . That the wolves, themselves, now have a deep-set fear of humanity and would only dare to do so if they're desperate and starving... is a distant second to that same deep-set cultural fear of wolves. Unpopular Opinion Time: The ecosystem damage from not having apex predators is large enough that it might be worth a few human li…

"Solutions" like this are how we destroyed Yellowstone the first time, and why deer now run rampant all over the US, literally eroding forests from excessive grazing. A naive assumption about a complex system has knock-on effects that destroy the entire ecosystem.

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

yupyup54133 wrote: post #76

undersuit wrote: post #64

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The wolves are naturally moving into open territory as their numbers grow in Wisconsin at least. Why do you think this is a class issue?

False, they are being introduced into forests in the northern half of the state but are not being introduced into the forests in the southern half of the state. Also, when wolves are found close to the suburbs they are relocated to the north. This is a class issue because most of the state's wealth is located in the southern half of the state and it is mostly the southern half of the state that is forcing an unwanted…

Post by snowwrestler » Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

troutbum wrote: post #151

There is a large population of wolves where I live, in Idaho. Wolves are a controversial subject amongst hunters, who believe that they are a reason for the decline in big game (elk/deer) in the state, especially in remote locations. To assist in the management of the gray wolf population in the state, the IDFG allows any hunter with a wolf tag to harvest, by both hunting and trapping, 15 wolves per year.