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Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by Melting_Harps »

peteretep wrote: post #103
Melting_Harps wrote: post #96

I've been doing a 16-20 hour fast since the lockdown and WFH, and to be honest I saw a significant decrease in my overall anxiety as a result. Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). And while there are drawbacks, I can't bench press 215lbs anymore, the overall benefits have been pretty significant that I will keep doing it. My weight was pretty erratic, given the high stress lo…

> Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). While I wouldn’t dare to comment on someone else’s mental health situation, I’d note for anyone else reading and considering this that traditional SSRIs are very effective for some people, cheap, and you won’t have trouble taking them across borders or getting them prescribed in an emergency from a random doctor if you lose your stash

> traditional SSRIs are very effective...

With immense amount of side-effects, I'd advise people to use CBD to see if it alleviates the symptoms before any SSRI.

In addition to the anxiety, I needed it for inflammation and pain relief which is a massive component to many ailments that have compounding effects. I worked 70+ hours a week in the peak season(s), so sleeping became a rare commodity which high loads of CBD with some CBG/CBN/THC made it happen nearly on demand.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by kranner »

AnonC wrote: post #90
rattray wrote: post #29

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By "we", you mean https://zerofasting.com/ ? Seems like a nice app!

I tried that app a very long time ago, and then in an update they forced users to create an online account with no local use option. I promptly removed it since I’m averse to creating online accounts when I see no good reason to do it.

I use it without an account.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by colinmhayes »

azemetre wrote: post #41
mrapogee wrote: post #25

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True. However, even if intermittent fasting is no more effective than calorie restriction, from a human behavior perspective, it seems to be an easier way for many people to achieve their calorie goals than just "eating less".

Yeah, this is why I prefer one mead a day (OMAD). It's a very large meal, 1600-2000 calories over a 2 hour period but I find it much easier to control my calorie intake this way. The only thing I regret since the pandemic is drinking coffee. I try to limit the amount of sugar and almond milk I add, but I feel like it's impacting my diet some how.

Drip coffee is horrible, so I understand wanting sugar. I moved to black by buying a mocha pot and aeropress. It's a whole different coffee experience, milk and sugar not necessary.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by hombre_fatal »

Barrin92 wrote: post #102
ronyeh wrote: post #32

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I think intermittent fasting is easier to implement for the average person. It's much easier to tell someone that they can eat as much as they want, but only between 6-8pm (one meal a day). It's difficult to tell someone you can eat 3 meals but no more than 1500 calories in total. Once I start eating, I don't want to stop (until I'm full). But the point at which I'm full is way beyond my calorie limit if I am eating…

>It's much easier to tell someone that they can eat as much as they want, but only between 6-8pm (one meal a day). If eating is part of your social or work life as it is for most people then not really. Or you're going to sit there sipping water while your family or your colleagues eat or have drinks which is miserable

Though that's also a self-limiting belief. It might seem lame the first week of going out to lunch with coworkers and sticking to water, but in my experience you get over it quickly. The fun part is the conversation, not entirely that everyone is spooning food into their acid sacs at the exact same moment.

You can also adjust your fasting windows to include one meal with family (as the person your responded to suggested, but you didn't actually reply to). Or only fast every other day. If you're fasting for a reason like to lose weight, then you'll have to decide if the goal is worth it to you.

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Post by colinmhayes »

voisin wrote: post #20
404mm wrote: post #13

By “no drinking”, do they really mean no drinking plain water? 14 hr stretches are doable but it’s interesting to find your body improving while becoming dehydrated.

“Dry fasting” is a thing, but it seems most people recommend against it. Not sure what the added advantage is for avoiding zero calorie water consumption.

Pleasing god. The high you might get from knowing you have the amount of self control necessary to dry fast.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by peterwwillis »

wikibob wrote: post #94
Cro_on wrote: post #81

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the fat is very useful in the palatability of coffee. a little coconut butter does the trick, and is also aligned with a low calorie intake

Y’all need to be learning to make better coffee. Your coffee should taste great without any milk much less sugar. Are you using freshly roasted beans, with a burr grinder, and grinding just before brewing? Use a $15 gram scale from Amazon and a $5 melita pour over paper filter holder and paper filter. 1 part of coffee to 15 to 18 parts water. So for a cup: 23 grams of coffee to 380 grams of water

You don't have to go quite that far to get better tasting coffee. You start with a good quality roast, pre-ground is fine, because average grind size is medium to coarse, which is a good general size (esp. if you don't wanna over-extract).

For a brew method, immersion brewing (like an aeropress) is uncomplicated, fast and can make larger batches at once. Brew at ~205F for 2 minutes, extract gently, and add water if it tastes too strong. You can use that method to make a large batch at once and keep it in a thermos, or make coldbrew and then warm it up to ~160F. No need for a scale or constantly grinding the coffee, and you don't end up with a single lukewarm cup of pour-over.

For "fancy" coffee you can do the same, except instead of adding water you can add frothed hot 2% milk. And if you really just want a "coffee ritual": clean everything of old coffee residue, filter the water, bloom the coffee before brewing, wet the filter before extraction, and get your coffee:water ratio, temperature, and extraction time to match the roast. All of that and no hardware besides an aeropress.

Re: Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

Hm... I think the title is misleading. The 14 individuals they studied had metabolic syndrome, not cancer, so there's no telling how a real cancer patient would react to a fasting diet. I recently had a friend starve to death during her cancer treatment. I really think she would have recovered if we had fed her more. We had 3 doctors agree, their reasoning being that cancer wastes a lot of energy that normally would be used by non-cancerous body parts, so a cancer patient should try to eat more food than they normally would have before developing cancer, on top of whatever other treatments they may be doing.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

mrslave wrote: post #76
erklik wrote: post #39

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> until I'm full and I've learnt that it's very hard to know when you're satisfied in terms of hunger, and full in terms of desire. The level of food required to satiate my hunger seems to be quite different from when I am "full".

Doing a 1-2 meal, 800 calorie/day diet for 8 weeks helped me to figure this out. The hard adjustment period was only for the first week. I then realized small and fewer meals was sufficient. Not that the remainder was easy, but it was a different kind of struggle - and noticeably easier than the first week.

800 is far too low for that amount of time unless you weight like 80lbs. 1200 calories at least to stop your body from using muscle for sustenance.
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