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Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by aww_dang »

whatever1 wrote: post #56
aww_dang wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means that regardless of the results on election night, there's a reasonable probability that lawyers and possibly the supreme court will become involved. >What does this mean in a well established democracy? As the established democratic institutions declined in Rome, the cesar was selected by the praetorian guard. Similarly in the US's we see intelligence agencies and Federal law enforcement agencies conspiring…

Even better, let’s ask Russia to send us a delegation to oversee our election and ensure the validity of the results.

"International Election Monitors Arrive in the US for the Nov. 3 Poll"

https://www.passblue.com/2020/10/07/international-election-m...

>The OSCE, based in Vienna, is an intergovernmental body of 57 countries from Europe, North America and Central Asia. It has been monitoring elections in the US since 2002, most recently the 2018 midterm elections.

https://www.osce.org/participating-states

>Russian Federation

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by triceratops »

tathougies wrote: post #33
triceratops wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Atlantic has pieces saying that the Democrats should not concede You should really read the article. Because a couple of words in the headline are playing into your confirmation bias and misleading you. FTA: "I find myself truly worried about only one scenario: that Trump will win reelection and Democrats and others on the left will be unwilling, even unable, to accept the result." Not really the same thing as…

The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication. They posted the article as if not conceding would be an appropriate reaction. I have read the article (multiple times at this point), and I have come to the same conclusion: while not outright instructing them not to concede, it is normalizing not conceding. And yes, the title is incredibly leading. If it were an article about how some republicans may choose to not concede,…

> it is normalizing not conceding.

That's not what I got at all. I believe the article can be summarized as "If Democrats lose, where do they go from there? They'll have to concede that everything they've been saying for the last 4 years doesn't matter to the electorate. That would be a crushing blow and very hard to come to terms with". Which is obviously true when someone's entire worldview is shattered. That statement could apply to anyone.

Not once does it say "They mustn't concede" or "It would be totally fine if they didn't concede."

> The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication

I feel like you're letting your biases creep into your interpretation.

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by tathougies »

triceratops wrote: post #62
tathougies wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Atlantic is a left-leaning publication. They posted the article as if not conceding would be an appropriate reaction. I have read the article (multiple times at this point), and I have come to the same conclusion: while not outright instructing them not to concede, it is normalizing not conceding. And yes, the title is incredibly leading. If it were an article about how some republicans may choose to not concede,…

> it is normalizing not conceding. That's not what I got at all. I believe the article can be summarized as "If Democrats lose, where do they go from there? They'll have to concede that everything they've been saying for the last 4 years doesn't matter to the electorate. That would be a crushing blow and very hard to come to terms with". Which is obviously true when someone's entire worldview is shattered. That state…

>I feel like you're letting your biases creep into your interpretation.

You're letting yours creep into your interpretation of Trump's statements? Should anyone accept the results of an election whose integrity is not clear? Without any context surrounding his statements, they are hard to really condemn. Of course, if we examine the context, the President's statements are clearly condemnable. The same is true of the Atlantic.

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by triceratops »

tathougies wrote: post #63
triceratops wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is normalizing not conceding. That's not what I got at all. I believe the article can be summarized as "If Democrats lose, where do they go from there? They'll have to concede that everything they've been saying for the last 4 years doesn't matter to the electorate. That would be a crushing blow and very hard to come to terms with". Which is obviously true when someone's entire worldview is shattered. That state…

>I feel like you're letting your biases creep into your interpretation. You're letting yours creep into your interpretation of Trump's statements? Should anyone accept the results of an election whose integrity is not clear? Without any context surrounding his statements, they are hard to really condemn. Of course, if we examine the context, the President's statements are clearly condemnable. The same is true of the…

I didn't say anything about Trump's statements. Are you confusing me with someone else?

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by dredmorbius »

pelliphant wrote: post #48
DeonPenny wrote: post #4

Or they could become journalist again, because if you look at the trust in this journalist lately they are at a alltime low and these arrogant articles are why.

Are you willing to pay them for that?

Market-based solutions to news and journalism are the problem and always have been.

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by jmenter »

dredmorbius wrote: post #40

Seems to me there's much discussion not related at all to the substance of the article. I was hoping for better than this. The recommendation: the big national news providers – ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NPR, PBS, AP, Reuters, The New York Times, The Washington Post – should have threat modelling teams, just as they all have pollsters. These teams would try to identify the most serious threats to a free and fair election an…

Great point. The recommendation of the article seems pretty straightforward and uncontentious.

Not that I'm a fan of the major national news media but anything they can do to up their game I'd not be against.

Re: To protect democracy, journalists need to learn to think like hackers and spies

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Post by jmenter »

pelliphant wrote: post #48
DeonPenny wrote: post #4

Or they could become journalist again, because if you look at the trust in this journalist lately they are at a alltime low and these arrogant articles are why.

Are you willing to pay them for that?

What journalism is actually for, and how capitalism actually works, are completely at odds.

I have no answers on how this can be squared.

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