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Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers

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I could not be happier that wearing a mask is more or less societally acceptable now.

I was curious if the value of the facial recognition startups is at risk with masks becoming more prevalent. Wouldn't be surprised if they are lobbying against mask mandates and mask enforcement as their entire business model must be at risk.

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post #42

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More a sarcastic expression of my disdain for the North American Shopping Mall and those who call her home.

Fair enough. Rampant consumerism is a threat to our survival as a species. I personally find it revolting. How people can derive pleasure buying low-quality clothes and widgets made by people in horrible conditions is beyond me. Never mind the impact on our environment. I have a lot of compassion for addicts. I used to be an opiate addict. It's all the same phenomenon; trying to fill an internal void with something e…

You'd think as a former opiate addict you might have a little more understanding and less emotionally negative response to something as mundane as shopping. If you feel this way about people who got to malls, how should I feel about junkies shooting up in my alley?

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It’s crazy that their lawyers think that merely referring to a privacy policy via a decal on the door is adequate acceptance of this kind of intrusion. I thought the laws required explicit acceptance online, via a check box on sign up, along with emailed updates when the policy changes. Merely walking through a door cannot possibly be construed to be explicit acceptance.

> It’s crazy that their lawyers think that merely referring to a privacy policy via a decal on the door is adequate acceptance of this kind of intrusion Very abstractly, legal precedent exists for the general implementation. Texas has what's called "the 30.07 sign" codified in the penal code (30.06 concealed, 30.07 open carry)[1] which prohibits firearm carry on that property with nothing more than a proper/legal sig…

Interesting example.

Not super familiar but that’s a licensed activity right? As in there’s some training and/or test administered upon gun purchase? Sorry if that’s not the case. But that feels marginally different because if you had a handgun and you knew this door sign governed whether or not you could bring it into a premise, you would look out for it.

No one is staring at the door of the drug store, because we are not trained to do that.

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If this is all privately held data that can't be accessed without a warrant... why not? Just so I'm clear, the argument against this is: - Merchants should be able to hire humans that sit around looking at camera screens all day trying to find shopping patterns, shoplifters, etc. - Any attempt to automate this tedious task is dystopian and evil ?

The end equilibrium is everyone running cameras constantly in public spaces, and all public activities scrutinized by... well, who knows? For what ever purposes they choose.

As just one example, I'd expect the emergence of semi-automated blackmail - you can infer a lot from peoples' public activity.

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I think the courts have ruled that it is perfectly legal to record somebody outside of their home as that is considered public spaces. Many cities are now moving to embed cameras in street lights to deter and record crimes. I think that it is safe to assume that if you are outside, you are being recorded, either by a check point camera , a store’s security camera , streetlight camera or even your neighbor’s ring devi…

There are laws that paparazzi have to abide by. Maybe they should be applied here?

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>The company also argued shoppers were made aware of the activity through decals it had placed on shopping mall entry doors that referred to Cadillac Fairview's privacy policy. Do what now? Physical spaces have privacy policies? We're really sleepwalking into a dystopia. If you don't like the privacy policy of your shopping mall, you're free to shop... online, where they get even more behavioral data on you. Yikes.

Physical spaces have privacy policies?

I've seen TOSes on mall doors before. They've been white letters on clear glass at just about foot level written in letters about 1cm tall. They were usually about violence and guns and shoplifting being grounds to ejection and banning.

The only people who ever see them is the decal printing company, the guy who installs them, and mice.

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post #28

The system is apparently tracking age and gender of people visiting the information kiosk. This hardly seems like invasive tracking. Even tracking an individual's movement through the mall with the purpose of providing security and marketing analysis seems like a ho-hum no big deal to me. If they were then taking the data and finding those people through Ring or youtube videos, sharing the pictures of people with com…

its very similar to what a company called Locarise do in Japan. It's not identifying anyone, merely seeing buyer hotspots, queues, recording visitor numbers, etc. All very valuable to a mall and imo quite harmless to the user if they are not identified

There's no such thing as anonymous data.

The ad-tech industry wouldn't exist if there was.

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post #46

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What the fuck? Your position is that there's something virtuous about exchanging currency for goods as long as you can do it from home, but leaving your house to do it in person is substantively different at all, let alone worthy of disdain? Are you so hopelessly tribal that it doesn't even take a political ideology difference to dehumanize people on a different side? It just naturally hits you that someone with diff…

Oh I find online shopping even worse tbh.

And what’s your opinion on superiority complexes?

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I have talked to somebody working for this exact company before that was telling me about some of their project that they were working on. In addition to video images they also track people through their phones across stores to analyze shopping behaviour and fingerprint customers.

I never turn on wifi or bluetooth away from home, my question is, are they doing LTE data collection too?

It's plausible. The mall could have a stingray device monitoring everyone's data.
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