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Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
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Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are the kinds who people who "shop" and attend "malls" the sorts of people we should be protecting?
What kind of question is this? Are you intending to imply that some people are less deserving of privacy purely based on if they shop at malls?
More a sarcastic expression of my disdain for the North American Shopping Mall and those who call her home.
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#43I don’t see the actual harm here. Malls have operated security cameras for decades. These people added a facial recognition system to generate population statistics (age, gender) and track anonymous individuals as they move around the mall. So what? Who was harmed? Who could be harmed?
The release also says it was stored in a 3rd party DB and that they apparently didn't know that
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#44>The company also argued shoppers were made aware of the activity through decals it had placed on shopping mall entry doors that referred to Cadillac Fairview's privacy policy. Do what now? Physical spaces have privacy policies? We're really sleepwalking into a dystopia. If you don't like the privacy policy of your shopping mall, you're free to shop... online, where they get even more behavioral data on you. Yikes.
When I was in college Fortinet pitched a capstone project for an automated doorman that tracked passersby, delivery people, residents, etc using cameras posted at doors.
We asked why they couldn't use other biometrics which were much more established at the time (eg fingerprint scanners at the doorway), they said because other biometrics required consent. They wanted to track people without their knowing or agreement.
When asked about the ethics they said something along the lines of "this is what our customers are asking for."
Point being you don't need a privacy policy when you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the first place. They can take pictures of you, store them in a database, sell them if they want. You don't have a right to be forgotten. And there are people that don't see anything wrong with that.
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#45I have talked to somebody working for this exact company before that was telling me about some of their project that they were working on. In addition to video images they also track people through their phones across stores to analyze shopping behaviour and fingerprint customers.
I never turn on wifi or bluetooth away from home, my question is, are they doing LTE data collection too?
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lack of a law preventing it doesn't make it good though. We can add new laws and regulations
Are the kinds who people who "shop" and attend "malls" the sorts of people we should be protecting?
What the fuck? Your position is that there's something virtuous about exchanging currency for goods as long as you can do it from home, but leaving your house to do it in person is substantively different at all, let alone worthy of disdain?
Are you so hopelessly tribal that it doesn't even take a political ideology difference to dehumanize people on a different side? It just naturally hits you that someone with different shopping habits is some kind of intolerable other?
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#47I'm wondering if just setting up a webcam in a public spot for a few years is enough these days to make a million bucks. I mean, don't you think that someone would buy a billion images of people walking about. It would be excellent for ML teams. LOL
Why would they pay someone $1 million for images that they can capture in a few weeks by parking a van with cameras in a crowded place?
It's amazing what people pay for in the correct circles.
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#48I have talked to somebody working for this exact company before that was telling me about some of their project that they were working on. In addition to video images they also track people through their phones across stores to analyze shopping behaviour and fingerprint customers.
I never turn on wifi or bluetooth away from home, my question is, are they doing LTE data collection too?
>are they doing LTE data collection too?
Don't cell carriers already sell your "anonymized" location data to marketers?
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lack of a law preventing it doesn't make it good though. We can add new laws and regulations
Are the kinds who people who "shop" and attend "malls" the sorts of people we should be protecting?
Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are the kinds who people who "shop" and attend "malls" the sorts of people we should be protecting?
What the fuck? Your position is that there's something virtuous about exchanging currency for goods as long as you can do it from home, but leaving your house to do it in person is substantively different at all, let alone worthy of disdain? Are you so hopelessly tribal that it doesn't even take a political ideology difference to dehumanize people on a different side? It just naturally hits you that someone with diff…
Oh I find online shopping even worse tbh.