Couldn't it simply be that whoever is behind that product didn't appreciate the criticism and asked the convention organisers to do away with him?
I Violated a Code of Conduct
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Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should read the book “The Coddling of The American Mind”. It’s largely about the cancel culture, over protection, and how the voice on college campuses has been changing. How we went from college being a safe place for open debate and discussion to an environment which is becoming less welcoming of differing opinions and perspectives. The authors try to identify the origins of the change and use data and statisti…
IMHO, there's something to the push to change how we go about discourse. As an example - it's slight, but feel the difference between "You should read...", "You'd like reading...", "I think you'd really like...", "I got a lot out of reading...". I see it as pretty similar to how some people see removal of spanking your kids as being coddling, versus making sure your kids are wearing pads when they're learning to roll…
> it's slight, but feel the difference between "You should read...", "You'd like reading...", "I think you'd really like...", "I got a lot out of reading...".
I used to obsess about things like this and then someone pointed out to me, "You'll never, ever get it right. You will word something some way, attempting to be gentle, and they will still be offended. You will NEVER win. So the only thing you can do is be sincere, without intention to harm, and you can sleep soundly knowing that how someone CHOSE to receive what you said is their own business, not yours."
Obviously we have a responsibility for the message we send. But how it is ultimately received is not up to us, and attempts to micro-manage language, like the above, will never result in the intended outcome.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#403The most powerful thing you can do when something you're involved with becomes inflamed with witch hunts and infighting is to just walk away.
Sometimes people have power over you that you can't just ignore, but more often than we realize they simply don't beyond what we create by not walking when they don't treat us with respect.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#404We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…
it is a luxury of modern times. Century and more ago only upper classes were having debates/arguments/discussions because only they had the option to try to control their fate by trying to win those debates (and those white males had less diverse set of opinions then we have in the society today). The rest of society was consumed in daily grit for survival, they had no impact on decisions and whatever decisions were…
> Century and more ago only upper classes were having debates/arguments/discussions because only they had the option to try to control their fate by trying to win those debates.
It still is.
The working class footsoldiers aren't engaging in debates/arguments/discussions, they are being deployed as weapons, largely of intimidation, whose purpose isn't to convince others of what is true or right to believe, but what is safe to express. They may be relaying slogans, but its not about debate or discussion, and there is essentially no engagement.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#405We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…
> I don't like criticism. I was bullied a lot as a kid. I don't like the idea of conflating "bullying" and "criticism". They're very different things. Even harsh criticism isn't really the same thing as bullying in my mind (Although it can be a part of bullying).
I paused on that as well and took OP to be relating bullying to NumFOCUS' criticism of the article author; rather than simply saying that all criticism is bullying.
Perhaps a bit too generous but you're right, the statement didn't make alot of sense without that moderating context. I certainly would see what NumFOCUS did here as bullying.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not a take. It's an objective description of what a CoC is and how it is designed to be used. There is no way around it. At all. I'm surprised you feel the need to turn a blind eye to this fact. Let's put it differently: without it's oppressive and persecutory function, what's the point of a CoC? To make it even simpler to you, what do you expect if someone in a community is deemed in direct violation of a CoC?
Hm, and me I thought most of them were just a way to assure newcomers that your project wasn't going to allow racist trolling on the mailing list. My take is that the problem with this code of conduct was that it was dumb. I want to recommend to you the degree to which it is easy and relaxing to just acknowledge that and move on, maybe with a note or two about what not to do in any code of conduct you write. It seems…
> racist trolling on the mailing list
Is this a widespread problem in software-related communities? I'm genuinely asking, because if it is maybe I am just not aware of it, but for example in the open-source projects I have been involved with the conversations tend to be extremely focused on the subject matter, and I'm not even aware of the race or gender of the people I'm conversing with.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdotally, my karma here on HN used to be at least double of what it is now. But at some point there was a change in people’s moods, and now it has been slowly eroding over time. I suspect someday it will be zero, or worse. My writing style and sharp criticisms of damn near everything hasn’t changed much, except perhaps knowing I’m going to be downvoted makes my wording more bitter. I suspect it is the HN crowd whi…
I'm in the very same boat.
I've never had a lot of karma as I don't comment that often and certainly haven't posted an article. But I suspect that my opinions would soon seen what little karma i do have, disappear.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#408We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…
I think the OP article is heartbreaking. Not because I think how they handled the case is wrong, but how they excluded him from a society he was embracing and trying to identify with.
For my own project I was considering to include a code of conduct. But currently decided against it because I do not think the purpose of a code of conduct should be written down as potential punishments as consequences.
A lot of people have a variety of backgrounds, a variety of perspectives and values that thet have been taught. If someone isn't even aware of what they did to offend another member, how is that someone supposed to learn from it if they are just punished for it?
I want to create a culture of welcoming, and a safe space for everyone. Not a dystopian regime that punishes first and acknowledges their mistakes later. We've got a broken justice system already, and I think it is built in the opposite manner of what we're trying to achieve.
If you punish and exclude as consequences, the logical conclusion is alienation and isolation.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#409To me and some colleagues (of all genderial persuasions), donglegate was enough of an incentive to never visit a tech conference again.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#410I'll be straightforward - CoCs are implemented by dumb cunts and adopted by either similarly dumb cunts or just cunts in fear they will be shamed on.
I've yet to see a single positive thing with all that trashcan sjw movement in tech. All I see is more people hating on each other, they cover with code of conducts to push their own agenda and to dismiss other people valid opinions.