I Violated a Code of Conduct
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I Violated a Code of Conduct
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Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#2So JupyterCon has been taken over by a bunch of Social Justice Warriors who seem to care less about content than about enforcing their standard for behavior.
My advice is to just stop attending JupyterCon. Maybe create an alternative.
One must be left wondering if the committee violated their own code of conduct by condemning Jeremy...
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#3If you haven't yet: I think both talks are very worth watching:
I don't like notebooks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiPeIFXb6U) by Joel Grus
I like notebooks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q6sLbz37gk) by Jeremy Howard
notebooks are a very interesting medium and they have both shortcomings as well as things they are great at and neither were totally obvious to me.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#4So JupyterCon has been taken over by a bunch of Social Justice Warriors who seem to care less about content than about enforcing their standard for behavior. My advice is to just stop attending JupyterCon. Maybe create an alternative. One must be left wondering if the committee violated their own code of conduct by condemning Jeremy...
You clearly didn't read the article. The cited violations had nothing to do with "social justice", just with being (allegedly) "negative" and "insulting."
It sounds like the whole situation was handled poorly, but clearly it is within the role of a conference organizer to reject overly negative or outright insulting talks. I don't know the details of this case and it sounds like communication with the talk author was extraordinarily poor, but I'm not sure how this reflects on the notion of a code of conduct in general or the "social justice" movement in particular.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#5So JupyterCon has been taken over by a bunch of Social Justice Warriors who seem to care less about content than about enforcing their standard for behavior. My advice is to just stop attending JupyterCon. Maybe create an alternative. One must be left wondering if the committee violated their own code of conduct by condemning Jeremy...
You clearly didn't read the article. The cited violations had nothing to do with "social justice", just with being (allegedly) "negative" and "insulting." It sounds like the whole situation was handled poorly, but clearly it is within the role of a conference organizer to reject overly negative or outright insulting talks. I don't know the details of this case and it sounds like communication with the talk author was…
I absolutely read the entire article. It is wrong of you to assume otherwise. I also watched the YouTube of his presentation and did not find anything offensive.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#6We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you.
Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people.
This is madness.
Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism. Somebody needs to hide Linus.
I don't like criticism. I was bullied a lot as a kid. But I thought part of what made us American was our rich, diversity of opinions and our grit to withstand challenge. We're supposed to work together and see past the differences.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#7This is one of those posts where the title is going to trigger a lot of unproductive subthreads, but the piece itself seems pretty balanced and thoughtful (and links to Valerie Aurora's excellent code-of-conduct training deck).
The thing HN likes to do best with any story is to generalize it and find sweeping conclusions. Here, I think the story is pretty much just: people screw up, and if your project has a code of conduct (I think most professional ones should!), there are some easy pitfalls to avoid captured here.
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#8So JupyterCon has been taken over by a bunch of Social Justice Warriors who seem to care less about content than about enforcing their standard for behavior. My advice is to just stop attending JupyterCon. Maybe create an alternative. One must be left wondering if the committee violated their own code of conduct by condemning Jeremy...
You clearly didn't read the article. The cited violations had nothing to do with "social justice", just with being (allegedly) "negative" and "insulting." It sounds like the whole situation was handled poorly, but clearly it is within the role of a conference organizer to reject overly negative or outright insulting talks. I don't know the details of this case and it sounds like communication with the talk author was…
Hand a committee opaque power with little oversight and no strict rules governing their own conduct. Populate it with probably well intentioned people who more than anything want to do something, anything about things in the world that are actually bad. You will, in general, find out how easy it is to find monsters under the bed and witches in the town next over, and you will do so very quickly. It is an extremely fast way to get an alignment check roll.
It just, uh, has side effects.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
You clearly didn't read the article. The cited violations had nothing to do with "social justice", just with being (allegedly) "negative" and "insulting." It sounds like the whole situation was handled poorly, but clearly it is within the role of a conference organizer to reject overly negative or outright insulting talks. I don't know the details of this case and it sounds like communication with the talk author was…
I absolutely read the entire article. It is wrong of you to assume otherwise. I also watched the YouTube of his presentation and did not find anything offensive.
It is unlikely that you will find anyone on HN to take the other side of your argument that the slide deck was intrinsically offensive.
Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct
#10Stuff like this is what gives CoCs a bad rep, although when implemented well, they can be hugely beneficial to communities.