Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I Violated a Code of Conduct

fast.ai

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 971 posts

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#201

Post by taneq »

seanwilson wrote: post #75
echelon wrote: post #6

We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…

> Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. Aren't you just buying into the clickbait/hype here and adding to it? How many people is it really? How many people take this as seriously as media stories make it sound? I think you're assuming a very loud vocal minority represents the opinions of everyone. The problem to me is a single digit number of people can have an opinion that they find something is offe…

> According to the 1% rule, about 1% of Internet users are responsible for creating content [...]

I wonder how true this is now? Even if we don't count social media as "content" (and some of it certainly is) most web content is participatory in some way and I'd wager a decent percentage of web users (if not internet users) are now contributing.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#202

Post by bamboozled »

ahelwer wrote: post #19
echelon wrote: post #6

We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…

I encourage anyone who believes social media has divided our society like never before to read a small amount of history of the Vietnam war era. Here's a taste: in 1970, the national guard murdered four unarmed students at Kent State. A poll showed 58% of Americans blamed the students, who were widely smeared. Maybe the real rot of social media is how it erases in peoples' minds the idea that anything could have happ…

At some point all of it calmed down, the war ended and people moved on.

With social media, there are no signs of stopping, it’s an endless stream of addictive outrage and one sided opinion.

That in my view is what’s new and worse about it and it’s only likely to get more integrated with us.

Imagine when you have a brain implant like Elon and Co are working on ? You won’t even have the luxury to put your phone in your pocket.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#203

Post by dralley »

echelon wrote: post #6

We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…

>But I thought part of what made us American was our rich, diversity of opinions and our grit to withstand challenge. We're supposed to work together and see past the differences.

Surely though, you recognize that this statement (and most of the rest of your comment) is perhaps a little ironic?

> We're literally tearing ourselves apart ... Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you ... Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people.

* Civil rights era * McCarthyism * Vietnam-era culture wars

None of this is anything particularly new

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#204

Post by xwdv »

echelon wrote: post #6

We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…

Anecdotally, my karma here on HN used to be at least double of what it is now. But at some point there was a change in people’s moods, and now it has been slowly eroding over time. I suspect someday it will be zero, or worse.

My writing style and sharp criticisms of damn near everything hasn’t changed much, except perhaps knowing I’m going to be downvoted makes my wording more bitter. I suspect it is the HN crowd which has changed, and has an axe to grind. I will not be allowed to hold certain opinions anymore without being punished.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#205

Post by ben0x539 »

1_over_n wrote: post #134

It would be intersting to watch all of the other presentations from this confrence. Did any one else, perhaps not as high profile, make any comments which could be agreed as worthy of a CoC violation? What happened? Jeremy Howard has done a LOT for the machine learning community and the world because he really has democratised machine learning and made it extremely accessible for people. Not just with free lecture vi…

Why are you trying to catch them being hypocritical? A hypothetical situation where multiple talks violated the CoC but attendants only reported one talk and so the conference only took action against one speaker doesn't seem like a huge problem. Like, sure, maybe they should have CoC cops sit through each gathering compromising material just so that it's perfectly fair, but I don't think that's the best use of conf organizers' time.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#206

Post by justicezyx »

ahelwer wrote: post #19
echelon wrote: post #6

We're literally tearing ourselves apart, and I don't want to hold opinions about human beings anymore. Anyone can be an enemy or dislike you. Social media has rotted us from within and from all sides. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Everyone is so hostile and eager to end other people. This is madness. Yes, I did read the article. We're cancelling people over criticism . Somebody needs to hide Linus. I don't like cri…

I encourage anyone who believes social media has divided our society like never before to read a small amount of history of the Vietnam war era. Here's a taste: in 1970, the national guard murdered four unarmed students at Kent State. A poll showed 58% of Americans blamed the students, who were widely smeared. Maybe the real rot of social media is how it erases in peoples' minds the idea that anything could have happ…

Oh, wow, what an insightful comment.

Hmm, why I am still saying tweets about BLM being violent and is aiming to disrupt social stability? I am stilling seeing a lot of people dont believe Covid19, and they also call it China Virus, and some are even attacking Asian people.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#207

Post by Nextgrid »

obviouslynotme wrote: post #115
nvahalik wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right, however in general, one _ought_ to mature out of that phase and be able to separate the two.

Most things that ought to occur do not.

This isn't a reason to refrain from (or worse, prohibit) commonly acceptable and valuable behavior just because a certain minority's state of mind might not be receptive to it (either through actual past trauma or just malicious intent to instigate drama).

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#208

Post by SQLlover2000 »

bww wrote: post #166

This guy apparently offended some fellow presenter at a conference. Then he wrote an article about how he is offended by being accused of offending this person. Is this whole thing starting to seem ridiculous to anyone else?

The guy who he said was wrong has come out in support of Jeremy.

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#209

Post by ben0x539 »

seibelj wrote: post #135

At my company I try to foster intellectual debate free of emotion. If you can’t separate ego from ideas, how can you ever improve? So many “brave” people are glass at this point.

If you can't understand human beings as emotional creatures, how can you manage them rationally?

Re: I Violated a Code of Conduct

#210

Post by seanwilson »

klmadfejno wrote: post #172
seanwilson wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you concretely think should be done though? Aren't there already laws about harassing people? I think the news should be more responsible by not reporting that someone was offended by something unless it has serious objective merit because it just gets everyone riled up on non-issues for no good reason. Aside from that, "cancel culture" feels quite a vague topic that would be hard to police in any way because…

> Aside from that, "cancel culture" feels quite a vague topic A good, frustrating point. A large proportion of complaints of cancel culture are coupled with implications of frustration that they feel they can't say unpleasant things that they would have gotten away with previously. Or people complaining about direct efforts to change social norms that they don't agree with, claiming that due to a status quo bias, cha…

> The term is pointless. What happened in this case sounds bad, at a glance. Let's not generalize it to other things. It'll get nowhere. Whether or not one believes something is a part of cancel culture has no bearing on whether a particular idea to squash something is good or not.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Arguing or getting outraged about ill-defined things that can't be attributed to specific people doesn't seem productive because there's no way to resolve it or learn anything.

Some people exist that get offended by some things other people aren't offended by. So what?

It's just noise.

Post reply on HN