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Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#31

Post by erikpukinskis »

trotsky wrote: post #28
sgornick wrote: post #4

Good to see something happening. I hadn't seen anything regarding Bitcoin on HN for about 24 hours and was starting to get worried.

I hate to whine, but has an editor/admin looked at the volume of bitcoin submissions and any possible voting block behavior on the stories? A new bitcoin story seems to have shown up every few days for the past several months, with many of the same posters adding support in the comments every time. Let's take this story for example. Let's frame it in general terms. A leader of an open source project is going to be sp…

Would this be newsworthy on HN for any normal project?

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes.

But maybe somebody could take a look and see.

What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? I didn't vote up this story, but I'm happy to see it on the front page because I think Bitcoin is probably the most fascinating hack I've seen in several years.

Full disclosure: I own 154.74 BTC, although I couldn't care less about it as an investment. I just think it's cool technologically and politically.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#32

Post by mrb »

trotsky wrote: post #28
sgornick wrote: post #4

Good to see something happening. I hadn't seen anything regarding Bitcoin on HN for about 24 hours and was starting to get worried.

I hate to whine, but has an editor/admin looked at the volume of bitcoin submissions and any possible voting block behavior on the stories? A new bitcoin story seems to have shown up every few days for the past several months, with many of the same posters adding support in the comments every time. Let's take this story for example. Let's frame it in general terms. A leader of an open source project is going to be sp…

Imagine HackerNews existed in 1992, as an NNTP newsgroup, and reported stories about this new thing called the World Wide Web being developped by Berners-Lee. I wasn't there at the time, but I imagine that only a fraction of the people at the time understood the revolutionary capabilities of this technology, while most were indifferent, and perhaps, like you, a little annoyed if the WWW was repeatedly mentioned to you in a short timespan.

Of course we all know how significant the WWW turned out to be to human society in the next decade and later.

Well, IMHO, what is happening today in 2011 with Bitcoin is the same thing. When I first read about Bitcoin, I skimmed over it, thought it was a scam. Then it was mentioned to me again, and again, became curious, stumbled upon the white paper by accident (http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf), read it, and was amazed by the concepts, the design, the suprising capabilities offered by its clever use of cryptography. This is so different and so far ahead from any monetary system that exists today that I, for one, believe that Bitcoin is potentially as revolutionary as the WWW. The very fact we see so many submissions from different people about Bitcoin (the top 8 submission at http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:ycombinator.com+bitcoin are from 7 different HN accounts, so it is not like there is a core group of fanboys spamming HN), and the fact that HN is a community with a high concentration of smart folks, shows that Bitcoin is certainly onto something... In fact, a seemingly overabundance of submissions for a specific technology is exactly one thing I would recognize as a sign of the potentially next WWW-level revolutionary tech...

Mark my words. Come back to this post 10 years from now :-)

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#33

Post by trotsky »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #31
trotsky wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to whine, but has an editor/admin looked at the volume of bitcoin submissions and any possible voting block behavior on the stories? A new bitcoin story seems to have shown up every few days for the past several months, with many of the same posters adding support in the comments every time. Let's take this story for example. Let's frame it in general terms. A leader of an open source project is going to be sp…

Would this be newsworthy on HN for any normal project? I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. But maybe somebody could take a look and see. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? I didn't vote up this story, but I'm happy to see it on the front page because I think Bitcoin is probably the most fascinating hack I've seen in several years. Ful…

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes.

I find it pretty hard to believe that linus would either a) send a warning to a mailing list that he'd be speaking at Langley in a few months or b) that anyone would link to such a low content post on HN.

What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you?

First five to ten votes of each story mostly coming from different people/ips. Or whatever standard HN usually uses to break voting blocks or set a spammy url to auto-dead.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#34

Post by trotsky »

mrb wrote: post #32
trotsky wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to whine, but has an editor/admin looked at the volume of bitcoin submissions and any possible voting block behavior on the stories? A new bitcoin story seems to have shown up every few days for the past several months, with many of the same posters adding support in the comments every time. Let's take this story for example. Let's frame it in general terms. A leader of an open source project is going to be sp…

Imagine HackerNews existed in 1992, as an NNTP newsgroup, and reported stories about this new thing called the World Wide Web being developped by Berners-Lee. I wasn't there at the time, but I imagine that only a fraction of the people at the time understood the revolutionary capabilities of this technology, while most were indifferent, and perhaps, like you, a little annoyed if the WWW was repeatedly mentioned to yo…

The problem with that analogy is that the world wide web wasn't some sort of tradeable commodity with thin exchange markets that people were being widely encouraged to use to trade US dollars for - in ways that would most likely be considered illegal if we were talking about an OTC stock. That is to say, it's entirely different.

Mark my words. Come back to this post 10 years from now :-)

It's a rather cheap prediction - because of course if the bitcoin market collapses in the next few years it's pretty remote possibility that you'll ever have to revisit it.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#35

Post by waterlesscloud »

trotsky wrote: post #33
erikpukinskis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would this be newsworthy on HN for any normal project? I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. But maybe somebody could take a look and see. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? I didn't vote up this story, but I'm happy to see it on the front page because I think Bitcoin is probably the most fascinating hack I've seen in several years. Ful…

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. I find it pretty hard to believe that linus would either a) send a warning to a mailing list that he'd be speaking at Langley in a few months or b) that anyone would link to such a low content post on HN. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? First five to ten votes of each story mostly coming from dif…

I was one of the early upvotes on this story. I don't vote up most bitcoin stories, though I read most of them. It's an interesting topic, an extra-governmental currency.

I've been undecided about the prospects of bitcoin as anything more than a fringe activity. I have the software installed, but I never run it. I have like 0.05 bitcoin I got from some free source when I first came across it. In other words, I have no vested interest.

But this story seemed to be the first early indication that people with actual influence on the world were giving bitcoin some interest. So I voted up for two reasons - 1. To see if anyone in this community of tech savvy people would have any commentary of value on it. 2. To flag it as an early warning sign of a disruptive tech to follow up on later.

So. No bloc here, and I was in the first five.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#36

Post by kiba »

trotsky wrote: post #33
erikpukinskis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would this be newsworthy on HN for any normal project? I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. But maybe somebody could take a look and see. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? I didn't vote up this story, but I'm happy to see it on the front page because I think Bitcoin is probably the most fascinating hack I've seen in several years. Ful…

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. I find it pretty hard to believe that linus would either a) send a warning to a mailing list that he'd be speaking at Langley in a few months or b) that anyone would link to such a low content post on HN. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? First five to ten votes of each story mostly coming from dif…

But I like HN stories about bitcoin! Very genuinely interested in it, not just a speculator. (Actually, I don't trade bitcoins on the exchanges anymore)

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#37

Post by mrb »

trotsky wrote: post #34
mrb wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine HackerNews existed in 1992, as an NNTP newsgroup, and reported stories about this new thing called the World Wide Web being developped by Berners-Lee. I wasn't there at the time, but I imagine that only a fraction of the people at the time understood the revolutionary capabilities of this technology, while most were indifferent, and perhaps, like you, a little annoyed if the WWW was repeatedly mentioned to yo…

The problem with that analogy is that the world wide web wasn't some sort of tradeable commodity with thin exchange markets that people were being widely encouraged to use to trade US dollars for - in ways that would most likely be considered illegal if we were talking about an OTC stock. That is to say, it's entirely different. Mark my words. Come back to this post 10 years from now :-) It's a rather cheap predictio…

True, some greedy people are almost certainly looking to profit by speculating on Bitcoin and generating buzz about it.

But, foremost, I can assure you there is a real, vibrant, and quickly growing community of users and merchants: http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?board=5.0 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#38

Post by trotsky »

kiba wrote: post #36
trotsky wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. I find it pretty hard to believe that linus would either a) send a warning to a mailing list that he'd be speaking at Langley in a few months or b) that anyone would link to such a low content post on HN. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? First five to ten votes of each story mostly coming from dif…

But I like HN stories about bitcoin! Very genuinely interested in it, not just a speculator. (Actually, I don't trade bitcoins on the exchanges anymore)

Sure, of course you're a global moderator at the bitcoin.org forums, right? With nearly 4,000 posts there in the last 9 months? It's hard to imagine you need to come to HN to see links back to your own forum and other stories that you've already read.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#39

Post by trotsky »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #35
trotsky wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be newsworthy if Linus was invited to speak at the CIA, or Andy Rubin, so: yes. I find it pretty hard to believe that linus would either a) send a warning to a mailing list that he'd be speaking at Langley in a few months or b) that anyone would link to such a low content post on HN. What sort of pattern would qualify as not organic to you? First five to ten votes of each story mostly coming from dif…

I was one of the early upvotes on this story. I don't vote up most bitcoin stories, though I read most of them. It's an interesting topic, an extra-governmental currency. I've been undecided about the prospects of bitcoin as anything more than a fringe activity. I have the software installed, but I never run it. I have like 0.05 bitcoin I got from some free source when I first came across it. In other words, I have n…

Thanks, I appreciate you chiming in. I'm glad to know it sounds like my suspicions were wrong.

Re: Lead bitcoin developer invited into CIA headquarters

#40

Post by prodigal_erik »

daeken wrote: post #23
tabsa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. Everyone knows about all the transactions - they are kept in the block chain that all the clients have, you can only try to hide the real identities of the persons involved in transactions, and that is still quite hard, and anonymity could be attacked using different techniques (see Tor anonymity problems) It was a bit harder(more costly) before Bitcoin to send small sums "anonymously", b…

Tor type attacks won't work here. Why? Because transactions go to everyone. Bitcoin "addresses" are really key fingerprints -- it's impossible to know who has the key to decrypt a given Bitcoin. It's equivalent to sending everyone in the world an encrypted email; if you send it to everyone, how do you know who the intended recipient is?

On the other hand, once you receive bitcoins at an address, you have to reuse that address in order to finally spend them, which interrelates the transactions in a way that's visible to everyone. The only way to limit traffic analysis is to use and trust some service like the bitcoin laundry, which will accept coins from one address and send distinct coins to another address.
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