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Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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It's an interesting case of cognitive dissonance. Most will admit when pressed a bit that the CIA/NSA/FBI do not have our best interests at heart and are out of control. They have repeatedly lied under oath, lied to congress, lied to the public, run human experiments on unwitting citizens, collect data on all of us, etc with complete impunity. However many people somehow simultaneously hold the belief that these agen…

I think it's clear that they are out of control, from the examples you list among others. The harder argument is that they're not doing it in our best interest. Without good visibility into their activities (which could very well inhibit those activities), it's hard to tell which of their activities are a net benefit to our country. My guess is that most Americans would expect that they sometimes do things that aren'…

> That second part is the primary reason why they aren't being wholesale shut down

Two thoughts:

1) Even if most Americans decided they needed to be shut down, how would we enact that? It seems to me there are very few people who have that power, and even if a great majority of us wanted it, we have no way to enact it (and no way of knowing if it was actually enacted; we could be told it had been done, but that could easily be an inscrutable lie)

2) If they were actually shut down, what would the people who worked there do? Highly intelligent, skilled, with low morals, used to performing nefarious activities; they would go on to be in shadow NGOs, organized crime, reform under other names, etc.

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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They don't know who he is. American adults are uninformed about most issues and will just parrot what they're told to believe in. Mass media paints him as a bad person so that's his public image.

N = 1 blah blah, but my Dad is a West Virginian factory worker who couldn't name one current Supreme Court Justice (including the one just appointed), but he has spoken positively about Snowden for years.

Eh Appalachian labor has a history of being on right side of morals and the wrong side of force

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

#93
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> Disconnect from the internet and nobody is getting in, including the NSA. Oh boy. That's some serious delusion in 2020. Wireless cards and higher end network interface cards are independent computers. Your processor has another processor (Intel ME and others) in it. Baseband Management Controllers are also independent computers on their own right. With closed firmware and wireless capabilities, you can never know w…

Here's a hobby-grade GSM modem dev board you can add to any 'offline' device for $40. https://www.adafruit.com/product/1946

There are cheaper alternatives. A basic SIM800 based board can cost just above $3 on Ebay, probably less on Aliexpress, or less than $10 for a similar one with Raspberry PI compatible connections (useable with other systems as well). Also interesting is the SIM7600 module which supports 4G LTE down to GSM plus GPS. Also available in Mini PCI-E boards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191879410081

https://www.ebay.com/itm/292237166116

https://www.ebay.com/itm/293802495042

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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Y'all reading into it too much. They're under no obligation to tell the truth. Might as well said "there's no backdoors" but that's not a PR happy answer.

Doesn't having a Congress that can't demand the truth by force of law (ie create an obligation; they of course won't necessarily get the truth) mean that you're no longer a democracy. I mean starkly that's an indication that rule of law no longer stands.

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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Spy agency denies performing main purpose for existing.

Reminds me of one of my favorite comments on HN (when the NSA discouraged quickly adopting post-quantum cryptography): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587571

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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what are you on about? if nobody in the know talks, how does anyone find out about it? if people are talking about it, then anyone with any know-how will start to investigate. if you choose to believe something someone tells you with no proof, then that's on you. claiming we do the same thing is a broad brush that i'm not getting painted on by thank you very much

I don't understand what you're saying. We had one anecdote saying a thing is happening, the second from someone who says it isn't. Your post seemed to indicate that the second post isn't true because maybe that person just doesn't know about it. That seems to refute the second and assume the first is true.

Isn't telling people about this sort of backdoor the sort of thing that could cause you to commit suicide with multiple gunshot wounds to the back of your head? I don't think any anecdotal evidence one way or the other is worth considering

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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It has always been true that any computer connected to the internet could be accessed by an unauthorized party, even before the leaks. Disconnect from the internet and nobody is getting in, including the NSA.

> Disconnect from the internet and nobody is getting in, including the NSA. Oh boy. That's some serious delusion in 2020. Wireless cards and higher end network interface cards are independent computers. Your processor has another processor (Intel ME and others) in it. Baseband Management Controllers are also independent computers on their own right. With closed firmware and wireless capabilities, you can never know w…

> - Your Intel system runs a special version of Minix on its Management Engine. A version of Minix customized for Intel by its original developer.

I hear a lot about Intel's ME, but not much about AMD's PSP. I assume it's just as bad. At least we know how to hobble the ME.

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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> Disconnect from the internet and nobody is getting in, including the NSA. Oh boy. That's some serious delusion in 2020. Wireless cards and higher end network interface cards are independent computers. Your processor has another processor (Intel ME and others) in it. Baseband Management Controllers are also independent computers on their own right. With closed firmware and wireless capabilities, you can never know w…

Fine, make a Faraday cage around the PC. Are you happy now?

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Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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>but I promise you nearly every American adult knows who Edward Snowden is and probably has at least a vague idea of what he was trying to communicate. I highly doubt this. In 2015, only 60% of Americans had some idea of who Snowden was, and only half of those had a positive opinion of him. I doubt this has improved over the past five years either. https://www.aclu.org/snowden-poll-results

> only 60% of Americans had some idea of who Snowden was It's things like this and people who believe the moon landing was faked that convinced me universal suffrage isn't a good thing, and we need some sort of poll test to make sure people are educated on issues before voting. I realize the US has a bad history with "literacy" tests, but it's clear that most people have no business voting.

Who designs the test?

Re: Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech products

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I have a friend that works for a chip company and he said he couldn’t get into details but the amount of back doors in communication companies and in chips would scare the shit out of me.

This anecdote seems consistent with basically all router-modems having hidden root accounts. I'm not sure if the claim as written necessarily goes beyond that.
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