RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

Post by dredmorbius » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 12:23 PM UTC

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I disagree. This looks more like pandering than anything else. Friedman has nothing to lose by making public statements of support, but a lot of reputation to gain if people buy into it. Instead of taking it down in the first place, Friedman should have told the RIAA to shove it, deliberately opening Github up to liability with the intent to defend this in courts and create precedent should the RIAA file suit. Even l…

I'm not a lawyer but afaik the DMCA takedown process is prescribed by statute, and platforms must comply to qualify for the legal protections that make hosting user-generated content possible. Friedman would certainly be removed by Microsoft if he jeopardized GitHub's legal protections by defying the mandated process, to say nothing of the potential of creating personal legal liability, both criminal and civil. youtu…

Post by AshamedCaptain » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

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But user loss implies contributor loss, and that is the problem. It's not about me being able to find it (I definitely will be able to :) ), or guaranteeing a "safe harbor" to developers (there are plenty of organizations that are dying to host something like this). It's about a project hat requires a shit ton of constant manpower not having it because of it being "tainted".

It’s not C++ and complex encryption, this is a python web scraper - hardly rocket science. I don’t think manpower will be significantly harder to come by than it was in the past — the opposite, in fact.

Post by aaron_m04 » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 2:35 PM UTC

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It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

I run a service based in Germany, and yes we don't care about DMCAs per se. However German laws are essentially: "Once you are notified of copyright infringing/illegal content, you have to remove it, lest you lose your protection as a service provider and become responsible for the content." A DMCA takedown notice would be such a notification. On the upside you don't need to do anything if you don't have reason to be…

Post by nojvek » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:03 PM UTC

Post by dredmorbius » Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:11 PM UTC

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> But for fad-driven and taste-driven industries, privacy [sic] has a notable impact on creator's earnings. Do you have any data that doesn't make the ridiculous and false assertion that 1 download = 1 lost sale, with which to back that claim? Because from what I've read, piracy has the opposite effect.

I'm not claiming that 1 download = 1 lost sale. But it's well-documented that piracy negatively affects music, film, and game studio income. See, e.g., https://www.ipi.org/ipi_issues/detail/the-true-cost-of-sound... Piracy may the opposite effect for software but it definitely has a negative effect on entertainment related IP.