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RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by vorpalhex »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #21
xxffgg557 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about research it yourself before spreading false information about a really amazing tool masked as a question. Or do you have a competing tool? Let me guess. Someone will ask for an alternative and another will suggest..

Uh no. I'm literally just saying the things I know about Truecrypt. Its a very old and as far as I was aware its no longer maintained and not recommended for securing things. Am I wrong?

You are incorrect. TrueCrypt was audited and passed, and lives on in multiple forms under multiple maintainers, the most well known being VeraCrypt.

If you are unsure of a fact, you can always do some quick research using your web browser before posting incorrect information in a way that may be misunderstood.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by Zak »

Multicomp wrote: post #3

At some point all these exceptions to the dmca section 1201 do at some point indicate to me that we need to have the law updated to be more narrowly tailored rather than continuously apply exceptions to it which can later be taken away.

I think given that it is entirely ineffectual for its nominal purpose of preventing piracy, there's no legitimate argument against a complete repeal.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by LockAndLol »

I mean, it's nice that the Github CEO doesn't agree, but if the solution is to get it back on Github, then it isn't really a solution. Smaller projects won't get this kind of attention.

What this whole episode should do is make it more common place to use tools like git-bug and mirror repos. Maybe someone will even write a tool to do so easily. But what I see happening is people just wanting the status quo to stay.

Until we learn to decentralize our code and write the tools to do so, this will keep happening. Maybe in 10 years we'll have learned our lesson, but it seems we're just doomed to repeat our mistakes.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by rouxz »

danaris wrote: post #15
gruez wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also find it laughable to claim that a session token is a "rolling cipher". If the claim is to be taken at face value, it would ban any form of scraping, as most sites invariably use some sort of session token.

> it would ban any form of scraping ...which many entities would love to do. If it were illegal to extract data any way but through an official API, with a TOS and fees and everything, that would make a bunch of dying business models so much more viable.

afaik it is against Google TOS to scrape data from their services e.g. play store but I can't find the evidence now. Some mobile store analytics agencies do it very carefully seizing the risk of their google account being banned forever. Haven't heard the precedents, still.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by benologist »

hyperbovine wrote: post #7

For me the best part of this article is the final subhead: > RIAA Efforts Backfire Basically every story written about RIAA since the Clinton administration :-)

About 400 million people pay monthly for access to music instead of listening to radio, occasionally buying albums or piracy so idk if anything really backfired...

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by the8472 »

Koliakis wrote: post #34
thway15269037 wrote: post #26

Asking developers to remove code is ridiculous. It reads more like "Bad cop/good cop" routine rather than genuine help.

It's not like any of us are going to be able to change the DMCA overnight and people rely on this tool for all kinds of purposes. Do we wait for somebody to magically fix the DMCA or do we make minor fixes to youtube-dl to make it less susceptible to bullshit DMCA notices like this? I assume most people just want the original repo to go back up and for normal development to continue before functionality breaks becaus…

There are other options, e.g. hosting somewhere where automatic anti-circumvention takedowns aren't a thing and the RIAA would have to go through a proper court process.

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Post by Macha »

boogies wrote: post #33

To me the most interesting (and new to me) part is §Cease and Desist Notices: > Following our initial coverage, we learned that the pressure against YouTube-DL had already started weeks earlier in Germany. Law firm Rasch, which works with several major music industry players, sent out cease and desist orders in the hope of taking YouTube-DL offline. > Hosting service Uberspace was one of the recipients. The company h…

It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by ehsankia »

Multicomp wrote: post #3

At some point all these exceptions to the dmca section 1201 do at some point indicate to me that we need to have the law updated to be more narrowly tailored rather than continuously apply exceptions to it which can later be taken away.

Absolutely, especially with all the mess on Twitch recently, and with Youtube for the past few years, it's very clear that DMCA needs to be updated.

I do like Tom Scott's comprehensive video on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Post by cookiecaper »

hyperbovine wrote: post #7

For me the best part of this article is the final subhead: > RIAA Efforts Backfire Basically every story written about RIAA since the Clinton administration :-)

Whatever the public perception is, they did indeed get Napster et al offline, which I think is the thing they cared about.

Not sure that they interpret the Streisand Effect in the conventional way. If anything, temporary increase in usage of targeted tools helps them make the case that they're being harmed by said tools' existence.

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