Is it illegal in the US to download copyrighted material?
RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
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Certainly, that’s true. There are many ways to hurt others with words, even avoiding definitions that would be against the law in Germany. This is a bit personal, but my brothers and I grew up in Germany with a father who was verbally and emotionally abusive. However, he didn’t break any laws regarding offensive speech at least. Ironically legislating against offensive speech protects people from superficial harm of…
Current monarchs even. In the Netherlands just a few years ago, people were jailed for spray painting and shouting 'Fuck de Koning'.
No that case was dropped [0]. The logic of that law is that you shouldn't be allowed to insult someone who does not have free speech himself, and so cannot defend himself. But it's pretty much a dead letter.
[0] https://nos.nl/artikel/2038180-fuck-de-koning-roeper-niet-la...
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Current monarchs even. In the Netherlands just a few years ago, people were jailed for spray painting and shouting 'Fuck de Koning'.
No that case was dropped [0]. The logic of that law is that you shouldn't be allowed to insult someone who does not have free speech himself, and so cannot defend himself. But it's pretty much a dead letter. [0] https://nos.nl/artikel/2038180-fuck-de-koning-roeper-niet-la...
The case was dropped, but only after he was arrested and put in a cell; I don't know the intricacies of this, a cell probably is not a jail. But "behind bars" is what I meant.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
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I don't see how that is true, we can move at any time. There is no dependency, only addiction.
It's true. Look at all the tooling and workflows that depend on GitHub. Issues, pull requests, code review, etc.. Combine it with integrated services that require GitHub to run like Actions (CI) and Codespaces (dev env) and you start to see how it works. In a few years it'll be normal for new developers to view a software project and a GitHub project as the same thing because the entire process from creating the proj…
This is a good point; my projects don't depend on actions and codespaces (only PRs), so I haven't seen it.
Random "good thing" addition: If CI and other features create more of a github lock-in, maybe they could implement cross-git features (like pull requests from gitlab) without that being a disruptive feature that reduces their monopoly situation.
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I've been fiddling with Fossil ( https://fossil-scm.org ) lately and the fact that it includes Wiki, forum and bug lists in the core source control project is looking better and better with all of this.
I checked it out and am kind of on the fence about one file = one repo - especially SQLite. It's mostly because I remember filesystems from my university time and trying to implement one in a file myself. Continuously adding data is fine, but when you remove data either you leave a "hole" in the file and have to keep track of the "empty" blocks, or you shift everything to fill the hole. Off-by-one errors corrupt file…
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#266I have been thinking about leaving github for a while. It is a very good platform, but as time passes, I realized I wanted to be more in control of my projects. Yesterday, I moved about 250 repos away to a gitea instance. Transition required a bit of tinkering (a few scripts) but went smoothly. The good sides are: - very fast, a lot faster than github for pushing/pulling but also the web UI is a lot faster - I'm in t…
If your hosting provider is in a country with DMCA-like laws, they can be targeted the same way GitHub was and would probably comply the same way as well. So was there really a point?
As can any developers in counties with DMCA anti-circ-like law.
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> it would ban any form of scraping ...which many entities would love to do. If it were illegal to extract data any way but through an official API, with a TOS and fees and everything, that would make a bunch of dying business models so much more viable.
And kill Google Search. Google can't afford for that precedent to exist.
Google can afford to legislate a carve-out.
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#268RIAA is a fucking cartel. Why would anyone support them..?
Cartels often mint money.
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#269> GitHub’s CEO suggested that YouTube-DL won’t be reinstated in its original form. But, the software may be able to return without the rolling cipher circumvention code and the examples of how to download copyrighted material. Which is frustrating. Isn't the information needed to do this provided by youtube themselves? This isn't some private key that wasn't supposed to be public; it's literally given out every time…
Couldn't the software simply fetch the token and display it to the user for manual input? It seems like the software's automatic use of the token is somehow breaking part of the DMCA. Is it actually illegal to display returned data from a web request? Is the manual input of "keys" legitimately a possible loophole? Did any of the early DVD rippers require manually adding keys?
There are noninteractive uses for which that is not tractable.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#270Is it illegal in the US to download copyrighted material?