RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

Post by btach » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 9:21 PM UTC

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There is actually _less_ legal protection for speech in Germany than the US. For instance, it's against the law to insult a government official like a cop (Beamtenbeleidigung). This could mean saying something like "damn cops" in earshot of the police - it doesn't take much. You could argue that courts aren't as accessible in the US as they should be without deep pockets (rightfully so), but fundamentally free speech…

> You could argue that courts aren't as accessible in the US as they should be without deep pockets (rightfully so) Are you saying that it's ok/good for people with less money to have worse access to courts than people with more money? If so, why?

Post by LockAndLol » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 9:36 PM UTC

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I mean, it's nice that the Github CEO doesn't agree, but if the solution is to get it back on Github, then it isn't really a solution. Smaller projects won't get this kind of attention. What this whole episode should do is make it more common place to use tools like git-bug and mirror repos. Maybe someone will even write a tool to do so easily. But what I see happening is people just wanting the status quo to stay. U…

I've been fiddling with Fossil ( https://fossil-scm.org ) lately and the fact that it includes Wiki, forum and bug lists in the core source control project is looking better and better with all of this.

Post by ryukafalz » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

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Speaking as someone who worked to get a 1201 exemption, and who personally shit in the MPAA, RIAA, and ESA's Cornflakes, I can confirm the 1201 process is stupid. Mainly because the RIAA,MPAA, and ESA always show up tp fight the exemption even when they know literally NOTHING about the exemption being asked for. We petitioned for an exemption to allow museums and libraries to reboot old MMOs in closed rooms with no n…

There must be more to your story. The RIAA generally doesn't have any involvement in video games, other than where its members license music to games (i.e., GTA), and they generally wouldn't have any grounds for being part of the proceedings you've described if their involvement was just the music licensing. I can see the ESA being a huge dick in these proceedings, because it's their job to do that, but the RIAA lite…

Post by mafuy » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 9:53 PM UTC

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> Major distributions for example will no longer carry the project You had to install the Github version anyway if you wanted to have a recent version that would work with YT.

Not at all, I've been installing the latest releases of youtube-dl from PyPI via pip for years. In fact, it's still there. The RIAA takedown has had no effect (so far) on my usage of youtube-dl. The RIAA clearly doesn't have any understanding about how open source Python programs are commonly distributed.

Post by hsbauauvhabzb » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:02 PM UTC

suby wrote: post #68

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #55

The takedown didn't backfire at all just because some people decided to publish on Twitter a tarball that still happens to be hosted in many other places so there is absolutely no risk of it getting lost. The problem is that the project may not survive this. Major distributions for example will no longer carry the project and likely refuse to touch it even with a ten-foot pole (think media codecs situation). It will…

I think you might be right, but I also don't know how viable this was before the DMCA. I have never been able to get youtube-dl to work with (both ubuntu / mint) distro packages. The packages always fall out of date due to youtube changing things, and you need to download it directly from the youtube-dl website regardless.