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RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #48

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It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

The irony that freedom of speech is more protected in Germany than in the US.

the irony is, ToS of hackernews prevents me from giving an example of what is allowed in germany.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #5

> GitHub’s CEO suggested that YouTube-DL won’t be reinstated in its original form. But, the software may be able to return without the rolling cipher circumvention code and the examples of how to download copyrighted material. Which is frustrating. Isn't the information needed to do this provided by youtube themselves? This isn't some private key that wasn't supposed to be public; it's literally given out every time…

Luckily they don't need to consider what some rich capitalist CEO thinks and don't need to return to MicrosoftHub and hopefully they won't. Especially given there are plenty of easy options available: self host gitlab outside of US, use something non-US, like gitea, etc. But in case they do something that stupid, there will be forks. I will probably even make one fork myself with removed code reinstated. EDIT: what t…

I downvoted you for putting false information that countries outside of the US don't have similar anti circumvention laws, FWIW.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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> By now it is clear that the RIAA’s takedown notice backfired badly. With the ‘Streisand Effect’ in full swing, there are now probably more copies of YouTube-DL online than there ever were. Did it though? Sure, the Streisand effect caused more distribution of youtube-dl, but that's never really been an issue. Open source software as widely used as youtube-dl is mirrored in a hundred different places. The issue here…

That depends on the timeframe you consider, and how much push-back there is against this and whether or not the RIAA continues to overreach. If the awareness results in policy changes that preserve something like "archive-preserving tools" then RIAA will have lost the fight against tools that have the potential to infringe.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#164
post #156

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There is actually _less_ legal protection for speech in Germany than the US. For instance, it's against the law to insult a government official like a cop (Beamtenbeleidigung). This could mean saying something like "damn cops" in earshot of the police - it doesn't take much. You could argue that courts aren't as accessible in the US as they should be without deep pockets (rightfully so), but fundamentally free speech…

People talk a lot about the UK's strict defamation laws, but the German concept of "Beleidigung" goes much much further. It's against the law to give someone the middle finger, for example.

It seems like the concept of psychological injury is treated as a second class event where often it can leave scars for years or even lifetime.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#165
The source code amounts to instructions that could be used to violate copyright. So there's a distinction here: Is it illegal to tell people how to violate copyright, when that method has other uses? If so, what about a blog post telling you how you can use your cell phone camera to record a youtube video?

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Github hosting is not the be all and end all of open source software development. There are alternatives, ranging from hosting on one of the Chinese public clouds, using 'bulletproof' hosts that cater to such things as phishing groups, cutting a deal with the Russian mob to host development in Russia, hosting on an .onion site, or making connections with the Pirate Bay folks.

So the alternatives are groups associated with authoritarian regimes, pishing groups and mobs?

Git can be cloned via HTTP and it's so easy to set up that people have accidentally done it. There are loads of web shops that accidentally disclosed source code by way of having their Git deploy repo in their Apache webroot. You could literally "git clone http://poorsuckersblog.com/" and get everything.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#167

For me the best part of this article is the final subhead: > RIAA Efforts Backfire Basically every story written about RIAA since the Clinton administration :-)

The RIAA has been wildly successful, they exist as a body to take all the bad press for consumer hostile moves like this instead of companies like Sony, Universal, Disney and Warner, who are the companies who actually operate the RIAA. Nobody at the RIAA cares you are angry about their moves, in fact they are likely glad that you are, and not the actual responsible parties.

Precisely. The RIAA (along with the other copyright Associations of America) is a front to suck up bad publicity.

In this case, I would not be surprised if Google was ultimately driving the push to get rid of youtube-dl using the RIAA as a proxy, both for PR purposes and because the RIAA has a semi-plausible claim to legal standing.

Youtube has ramped up its consumer abuse policies lately, such as the begging screen that demands unauthenticated users log in and requires four clicks to dismiss, and it would not be even remotely surprising if Google is also working to get rid of tools that allow people to watch YouTube videos without being subjected to advertising abuse.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#168
post #153

> By now it is clear that the RIAA’s takedown notice backfired badly. With the ‘Streisand Effect’ in full swing, there are now probably more copies of YouTube-DL online than there ever were. Did it though? Sure, the Streisand effect caused more distribution of youtube-dl, but that's never really been an issue. Open source software as widely used as youtube-dl is mirrored in a hundred different places. The issue here…

It’s about awareness, not distribution. How many people learned youtube-dl exists due to news about its takedown?

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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#169
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People talk a lot about the UK's strict defamation laws, but the German concept of "Beleidigung" goes much much further. It's against the law to give someone the middle finger, for example.

It seems like the concept of psychological injury is treated as a second class event where often it can leave scars for years or even lifetime.

Could you expand on what you mean by that? I assume you don't mean someone giving someone else the middle finger.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#170
post #77

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That code is protection for YT TOS, not copyright law. If YT want's to use dcma in this way it should claim copyright of all posted material and see how that works out for them. Even if it the video's were copyrighted, it could be still be downloaded for fair use purpose rather than infringement. RIAA is using takedown's to protect google ad money, which is not the intended purpose of that legal action.

Youtube is not the copyright holder, the RIAA's members are. They have licensed their content to Youtube. Youtube stores cache files to a user's computer, obfuscated so they can't be easily copied or accessed, most likely as part of the terms of their license. That is legally sufficient to constitute a copyright protection scheme.

Material is covered by fair use and can be used legally in that way. Takedowns are for copyrighted material being distributed to provide immediate relief, the yt-dl projects code is not owned by riaa therefore riaa is abusing the legal mechanism.
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