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RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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About 400 million people pay monthly for access to music instead of listening to radio, occasionally buying albums or piracy so idk if anything really backfired...

I would argue this happened in spite of their efforts. The music industry was dragged kicking and screaming into the streaming world for a variety of reasons, among them the fact that with centralized platforms, artists have no reason to use labels for "discovery" purposes any longer. Its long been known that the way to defeat piracy is to offer a better service. Its what Steam did, its what Netflix did. Ironically,…

Labels were never about discovery. They were about promotion, production, and all of the expensive stuff you need at scale.

For example, Justin Beiber, Lorde, Billie Eilish, Lil Nas X, were all discovered independently due to their own efforts and had decent success on their own. (Farther back in time, the Beatles and most classic rock bands similarly got signed to labels after demonstrating success.)

But they're all signed to major labels now, because touring is expensive, and the scale of exposure you get with a label is very different from what you get on your own, and the income correspondingly increases as well.

In many (but not all) cases, the artists usually also get lump-sum advances against new albums or singles which removes the financial risks for creating new music.

Piracy was never about discovery. It was simply about people being too cheap to pay for other people's work. Sometimes, as with Adobe and Microsoft, they were okay with it because that just locked in their market dominance and created more future customers. But for fad-driven and taste-driven industries, privacy has a notable impact on creator's earnings.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#83
post #48

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It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

The irony that freedom of speech is more protected in Germany than in the US.

And why exactly would that be ironic?

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #10

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You can download mp4 files directly from Youtube. I've found a way to download videos right from the domain googlevideo.com . No 3rd party tools, any requested clarity. I thought I'll make a post to explain this easy method, then realized Google would take down that method within a week, so I'm keeping quiet.

You can download the audio and video files by taking the URLs from the network tab in chrome, and you can then merge those files together. Just remove the range parameter in the URL.

Well that's sort of what youtube-dl does, no? Except for you don't have to inspect network tab or merge anything manually, and you can choose quality and download playlists etc.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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At this point it's less about software maintenance and more about the streisand effect ala DeCSS http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/

No, it's not; this misses the point. A tarball of _ancient_ DeCSS code has some value because you can use it to "decss" _all_ content made _before_ a certain date (e.g. most physical DVDs). So it makes sense to preserve the tarball in any method possible. A tarball of an _ancient_ youtube-dl version is absolutely useless because the youtube HTML will have changed a million times in the meanwhile. You will not be able…

You are basing your argument on the highly erroneous premise that YouTube is all that youtube-dl is usable for.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24905640

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #48

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It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

The irony that freedom of speech is more protected in Germany than in the US.

That's not ironic. They spilled blood over it much more recently than we have.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #48

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It's probably worth mentioning that Uberspace is based in Germany, not the United States, so may not feel the same risk from not obeying the DMCA as a US company.

I run a service based in Germany, and yes we don't care about DMCAs per se. However German laws are essentially: "Once you are notified of copyright infringing/illegal content, you have to remove it, lest you lose your protection as a service provider and become responsible for the content." A DMCA takedown notice would be such a notification. On the upside you don't need to do anything if you don't have reason to be…

>On the upside you don't need to do anything if you don't have reason to believe the content is illegal in any way (unlike with DMCAs where you pretty much always have to remove first).

The DMCA works the same way. If you refuse to remove content and it turns out to be legal, then you as a service provider can't be held liable. You only get in trouble if you ignore a valid notice and there is infringement.

Neither is relevant here, though, as it wasn't a DMCA notice but a claim of anti-circumvention.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

#88

At some point all these exceptions to the dmca section 1201 do at some point indicate to me that we need to have the law updated to be more narrowly tailored rather than continuously apply exceptions to it which can later be taken away.

If you want the DMCA changed, you're going to need to find enough money to, as part of a competitive auction against the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA, successfully bribe:

218 Congresspeople

60 Senators

1 President

5 Supreme Court (in)justices.

A conservative estimate is that getting the DMCA reformed would cost at least a billion dollars in bribes ('campaign contributions'). No one who has that much money spare has enough of an interest in public-interest copyright reform to be willing to spend that much money.

As a practical matter, it's much more feasible to cultivate hosting infrastructure outside of the United States than to consider DMCA reform.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #85

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No, it's not; this misses the point. A tarball of _ancient_ DeCSS code has some value because you can use it to "decss" _all_ content made _before_ a certain date (e.g. most physical DVDs). So it makes sense to preserve the tarball in any method possible. A tarball of an _ancient_ youtube-dl version is absolutely useless because the youtube HTML will have changed a million times in the meanwhile. You will not be able…

You are basing your argument on the highly erroneous premise that YouTube is all that youtube-dl is usable for. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24905640

No, the argument does not depend on that premise, unless you are suggesting that the other websites never ever ever change their HTML.

i.e. replace YT with $YOUR_FAVORITE_VIDEO_HOSTING_WEBSITE in the message above.

Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO

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post #83

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The irony that freedom of speech is more protected in Germany than in the US.

And why exactly would that be ironic?

One of 4chan's favorite past times is discussing which country has more freedom of speech. It always ends in a massive flamewar and I can only recommend not to repeat that here.
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