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‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by srtjstjsj »

klipt wrote: post #404
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #289

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In the US, it seems these 13% receive outsize political attention as well. I recall at the run up to the 2016 election, one of the main issues was gender and public bathroom usage. I couldn't help wondering at the time why that issue received so much attention vs. the 42,000 opioid overdose fatalities that year alone, which got virtually zero attention.

The Google trends for "black lives matter" searches peak in 2016 and 2020. The media only brings it up in election years, even though police brutality happens every year.

You should look up what 2 very specific events happened in July 2016 and July 2020 when "black lives matter" trended on Google.

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danmaz74 wrote: post #530
shadowgovt wrote: post #349

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I believe the fact some people perceive it to be is the root of, perhaps, quite a bit of consternation on the issue. But I see it is the same as forcing people to stay in an unpleasant class until they understand type theory. We teach people things they need to know so that they know them, because knowledge is useful. We're certainly not calling the question of "having education seminars" into question, are we?

Having to publicly humiliate yourself is pure Maoism. How can you compare it to learning type theory?

It's only public humiliation if people perceive it to be public humiliation.

what's humiliating about having the same problem that basically everyone does?

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Post by srtjstjsj »

cortesoft wrote: post #415
alex_c wrote: post #142

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Sometimes I wish I had a way to block Twitter from my life completely. I don't even use it, but I wish for an AdBlock-like tool that would: - block Twitter content in news articles - block links to articles with Twitter content from ever being shown to me in the first place Most news articles provide little value to my life anyway, but I don't think I've ever read an article referencing Twitter quotes that was worthw…

Twitter links on my phone never work... i will click on the link to a tweet, and then it will just say "failed to load content" So I guess I somehow do block twitter?

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Post by shadowgovt »

rayiner wrote: post #551
shadowgovt wrote: post #518

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How well has that worked?

Pretty much every civil rights victory that has been achieved had been done through appeal to universal principles. People in America really don’t understand what the alternative is like. Academic theater seems workable, or at least harmless at best so long as we’re standing on solid bedrock. But that’s a framework that exists so long as you maintain it. What society really looks like absent this framework is what ha…

I believe you are conflating quiet with success.

The United States is currently undergoing a massive upheaval in multiple major cities about its willingness to sweep racial discrimination under the rug and call it "success." It's an unstable equilibrium; it works until it doesn't.

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Post by standardUser »

nikitaga wrote: post #556
standardUser wrote: post #510

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"If you don't believe me, then that's OK, that's up to you." I didn't say, suggest or imply that I didn't believe you. I stated my alternative experience and asked for more information about yours. "the media even covers the near constant revolts of activist employees" From what I see, those are arguments between people who believe in Thing A very strongly and want to act on it and people who also believe in Thing A…

Step 1: "if you don't support Black lives, unfriend me" (a sentiment you agree with, from your other comment in this thread) Step 2: "I almost never encounter people who think we should [...] not fight racism" You're free to exclude anyone you don't like from your friends – it's your life. But if you do this, maybe don't use the fact that your bubble doesn't have anyone who thinks differently from you as evidence of…

My so-called "bubble" includes dozens of uniquely massive metros that represent hundreds of millions of people. They drive, and historically have driven, most advances in art, culture, innovation and economic output. So it's not like I'm living in some remote backwater getting my news from obscure blogs. I'm up in the mix.

As far as the current movement that aims to of change policy and perspectives to better protect and respect Black lives, I would point out that the supporting any given civil right movement, at any time in any culture, when viewed from a few decades distance, has a nearly flawless track record. Can you name a couple historic movements that had the goal of expanding rights or ending oppression that you, today, would oppose?

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

standardUser wrote: post #512
stale2002 wrote: post #410

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The way that this usually effects people's personal lifes, is when there are individuals who care way to much about abstract politics, turn it into a moral cursade, and think that if you don't agree with them on every single issue then this is some huge judgment on you as a person. Basically, it is with us or against us mentality. Even not having an opinion on some abstract idea, means that you are therefore a perpet…

"If you don't agree with me on X, then unfriend me, as I don't want any people like you in my life!" Most of those comments I have seen are specifically related to racism. For example, an individual will state that "if you don't support Black lives, unfriend me". I fail to find fault with that. Can you explain why it is problematic for someone to want to distance themselves socially from people that are opting-in to…

The amplification of identity through the capitalization of Black and Women is dangerous, tribal, and counterproductive in a collaborative environment. Plus, the phrase "if you don't support Black lives" is in the context of the Black Lives Matter movement, a group who has led riots all throughout the country.

I'm not saying they didn't do so for a good reason. I'm saying it's not black-or-white, yet people who make such posts make it black-or-white.

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Post by srtjstjsj »

shadowgovt wrote: post #411
tomp wrote: post #394

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Quite biased. At least the Wikipedia page includes a Criticism section. Also, as with most psychology, the prior should be that all these studies are a result of p-hacking and publication bias (i.e. that the effect is actually noise). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit-association_test#Crit... Also pretty obvious biased cherry picking on that page. Counterexample: Women preferred 2:1 over men for STEM faculty pos…

I don't see how the provided counterexample is a counterexample. It appears to indicate unconscious bias favoring women in STEM faculty positions for hiring.

No evidence is given about whether the bias is unconscious.

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

dmix wrote: post #542
cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #205

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>I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. I understand your argument but I also in no way want to distract from the culpability owned by social media companies, their product designers and managers, and the people who wrote the code to implement their desires. They are ultimately guilty for the damage they have wrought on our societies. Traditional media companies may have exacerbated the…

> They are ultimately guilty for the damage they have wrought on our societies. What damage? The stuff people wrote on it? That's the people. That's what I love about people who think everyone should vote. But just look at Twitter. Most people are poorly informed idiots who are hyper-emotional and inclined to mob-think. I'm all for more direct democracy but that doesn't mean I want anyone and everyone to vote. We nee…

> I'm all for more direct democracy but that doesn't mean I want anyone and everyone to vote. We need informed voters.

There is no incentive for people to become more informed. Public choice theory explains this, voters are rationally ignorant.

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Post by danmaz74 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #572
danmaz74 wrote: post #530

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Having to publicly humiliate yourself is pure Maoism. How can you compare it to learning type theory?

It's only public humiliation if people perceive it to be public humiliation. what's humiliating about having the same problem that basically everyone does?

Most people (luckily) perceive racism to be a bad thing. Being forced to publicly confess to being something you should be ashamed of is the definition of humiliation.

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Post by free_rms »

shadowgovt wrote: post #567
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #536

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I generally try to avoid racist people, because they'll treat me and many of my friends poorly. That's what "racism" meant in the culture I was brought up in - a racist person was by definition one who treated certain races poorly. Because of that, it's very hard for me to have normal interactions with people who explicitly identify as racist, even if they say they're a special kind of racist who intends to treat me…

So it's a matter of definition, not behavior. Because the point of unconscious bias training is to help people see the ways in which they are racist even if they don't think of themselves as racist. In other words, there's no magically non-racist person out there. Everyone's a little bit racist.

It's a magical, shifting definition that means whatever the high priests need it to mean at the moment.

Making people confess to being 'racist', at institutions where being Racist gets you fired, is a power-move.

Those of us who can see that aren't objecting to the idea of unconscious bias, we're objecting to the power move.

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