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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by bosswipe »

Kaytaro wrote: post #469
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #191

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Meh. Just go to the NYPost directly if you want. We shouldn't be forcing and infringing on the freedoms of corporations to decide what they can sell/show.

Sure, but if they're going to be an editorialized platform they should be held liable for the content of each and every tweet.

If Twitter were held liable for user's posts they would probably ban all right-wing content since that's were most of the libel I see comes from. For example reddit tried hard to keep /r/TheDonald around but it turned out to be an impossible task. Especially in online right-wing youth culture there's a strong anything goes, ends justify the means, trolling for the lulz, strain where they find it more acceptable to spread deliberate misinformation.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by sk2020 »

olivermarks wrote: post #87
tomp wrote: post #64

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> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. Interesting... after reading this, I immediately thought: same as Zero Hedge (also often criticised). But then again, that shouldn't be a surprise - b…

Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

I miss when ZH was an investment blog.

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Post by whimsicalism »

taylorfinley wrote: post #479
whimsicalism wrote: post #442

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Source on the late December? Early January is irrelevant, but I would like to see the former if that is a true claim.

The closest I could find in online archives to a December 2019 pandemic discussion on 4chan was this single (terribly racist and cruel) comment from December 30th[0], "Don't worry. The worlds going to suffer a global pandemic soon (very, very, soon) which will wipe out poor urban populations..." [0] https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/237746333/#q237746818 (Warning, this link contains graphic hate speech like much…

As expected.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ummonk »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #369
ummonk wrote: post #332

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In a hypothetical alternate world in which individuals / organizations were publishing the raw Panama Papers? Yes, I would think their accounts should get banned. Fortunately, as with the Trump tax returns, the journalists handling the Panama Papers did not engage in such unscrupulous behavior.

Pretty sure the NY Post did not post raw data dumps of the laptops. Though many people on the left were clamoring for them to dump all the data to enable the emails to be verified. Also, many used the absence of raw data to cast doubt on the authenticity of the information released by the NY Post.

They published private pictures and screenshots of private emails.

And there are easy ways to establish authenticity without publishing raw data e.g. providing third party journalists with access to the data.

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Post by free_rms »

rhizome wrote: post #324
cjjuice wrote: post #101

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It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

> Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor Why can't "we don't want this trash on our site" be the reason? It's "funny" how those who want to propagate banned material always cast themselves as some repressed group subject to the tyranny of government power. It can still be posted on Gab or Parler, right?

Is it 'trash' to be upset that Hunter Biden made 600k/yr from a no-show job that looks super crooked?

I understand that it's politically not helpful at this particular moment, and that the Trump kids are worse, but none of that makes it false, and it doesn't make me 'trash' for not liking it.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

gamblor956 wrote: post #402
weareallcowards wrote: post #370

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That isn't "mass-scale", because you don't have any users. Sorry, but I'm going to quote my original comment: >The barrier to creating a new social network once network effects have locked in a few major players is enormous. So...that is what I said, that the barrier to entering the market is enormous.

No, the entire history of social media has been low-cost entrants capturing market share from existing giants. I'm definitely dating myself here, but Livejournal, Blogger, Myspace, Frienster, DailyBooth, Friendfeed, Yikyak, Snap, Vine, were all once the dominant social media website before losing to new entrants. Facebook was started in a college dorm room. Twitter launched as an employee's side project. Instagram be…

These success stories don’t prove that it’s feasible to create a widely used social network, just that it’s possible. And that’s a pretty obvious statement, seeing that widely used social networks exist at all. What’s important is how many failures are there?

There’s no physical issue preventing competition like with power companies, but to a social media startup, getting enough users is a similarly hard challenge as constructing a new power grid.

And you’re not actually a social network until you reach some critical mass of users. The cost of entering the market is low as you point out, but that doesn’t imply that you can realistically compete. So I think it’s fair to call social networks a natural monopoly. Even if they don’t strictly fit the definition they’re still monopolies in practice.

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Post by selectodude »

CptFribble wrote: post #411
selectodude wrote: post #345

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ZH was saying that it was going to be a catastrophe before China even started lying about how they had it under control.

To be fair, almost everything on ZH is predicting catastrophe - ZH is rife with prepper-flavored "this is the big one" reports on things like FEMA operations, rumors of potential false flag attacks, and of course various financial instrument movements. 99% of what ZH says is the end of all things fades into nothingness. ZH is the canonical example of a correct-twice-daily broken clock.

Oh for sure. They’re a bunch of lunatics. If you assume the worst four times a day you’re going to be correct sooner or later.

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Post by misiti3780 »

mantap wrote: post #327
tomcam wrote: post #169

Those of you who think locking the account was a good idea should remember you won’t always be in the majority.

Do you think that fake news websites (websites that intentionally post falsehoods to drive traffic) should be allowed to post on social media with impunity? How is that workable? Many people cannot distinguish fake news from legitimate sources of information. Increasing noise (disinformation) is just as damaging to free speech as decreasing the signal (censorship).

That is absolutely true, but this specific story doesnt seem to be fake.

I dont personally care if Hunter Biden used his dad's name to make money (that is par for the course these days), but Twitter and Facebook suppressed the story basically saying because they were not able to verify it, even though they have clearly allowed a lot of fake news to float around their platforms in the past.

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Post by dragonwriter »

roenxi wrote: post #424
droffel wrote: post #107

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> scarily accurate As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. They have a consistently bearish bias (which rarely seems to play out), and ties to the Russian state, which brings into question the motivations behind their criticisms of the US (not that I'm the biggest fan myself). All of that said, ZH introduced me to a lot of economic literature and concepts I likely wouldn't have been e…

> As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. No question ZeroHedge is excessively pessimistic, but that saying is silly. The US has been having recessions almost like clockwork once every 10 years since 1950 [0]. Saying "a recession is incoming!" is pretty much trivially true. It is always very likely there will be a recession in the next 10 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_…

> The US has been having recessions almost like clockwork once every 10 years since 1950

Your standards for "clockwork" regularity seem to be quite low. Your own source offered to support that claim shows almost double that frequency from 1950-1990, and a maximum interval of 10 years, 8 months over the whole period. So it is neither "like clockwork" over that period (the frequency has on average dropped over the period, but the intervals are highly variable from one to the next), and not averaging anything like 10 years.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by pwinnski »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #400
pwinnski wrote: post #366

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It does reveal that there's an issue that bothers people, but I'm not sure it needs to be addressed beyond explaining that Section 230--or something just like it--is what gives us the free and open internet we enjoy today. Without it, there is likely no Hacker News, nor any other social media.

There certainly are more fine-grained solutions possible. My believe is that if this is forced into a take it or leave it scenario, we're not going to like the outcome.

Nobody will, because changes to Section 230 will likely kill all social media.

Which, come to think of it, might be a net gain to society overall. Hard to say.

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