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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by mainstreem »

ZeteticElench wrote: post #343
calvinmorrison wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few months ago there was non-stop coverage of the president purportedly saying very mean things about soldiers. This was from an anonymous source. Even Bolton who is no fan of the president said that it didn't happen. It got 24/7 playtime by the media. Now on the other day the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential can…

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

Where's the evidence that the data on the hard drives and laptop were fabricated? There's a lot more physical evidence behind the Hunter Biden Laptop Story (and its censorship) than there was behind, oh I don't know, the impeachment of the President last January.

I must assume you have personal possession of exculpatory physical evidence. Please share your physical evidence that discredits the physical evidence you don't like unearthed by the New York Post

Please downvote me if you have no evidence it was faked or know there's no evidence or want to see the NY Post story discredited because Trump should be replaced at any cost.

Also note: other news publications, like the Washington Post, claiming that the hard drive data is "not verified" without any evidence beyond their own reputation, which itself is long since forfeit, is not evidence.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by d23 »

legitster wrote: post #91

What a hot mess. I am imagining those years of looking at terrible National Enquirer headlines at store checkouts. This kind of terrible reporting as always existed, but for some reason (luckily I guess) they never crossed over into national discourse the way that stories do online. I never begrudged the store for carrying them and selling them. If Wal-Mart suddenly felt the need to arbitrate on the accuracy of every…

This is a good comparison to bring up, because most people would not have any problem with the "Clinton had sex with aliens???" tabloids disappearing from the Walmart checkout aisles.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

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Post by specialist »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #182
droffel wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> scarily accurate As the saying goes, Zerohedge has predicted 28 of the last 4 recessions. They have a consistently bearish bias (which rarely seems to play out), and ties to the Russian state, which brings into question the motivations behind their criticisms of the US (not that I'm the biggest fan myself). All of that said, ZH introduced me to a lot of economic literature and concepts I likely wouldn't have been e…

You've really got to be careful with this sort of thing. This is how Rush Limbaugh got into otherwise sane people's hearts and minds: he explained how the legislative process worked in accessible language.

That's a very interesting point. (I stopped listening to Limbaugh ~ 1994.) I collect books on policy making. I'll look for Limbaugh's explainers. But should you have links handy, I'll be your best friend (duration unspecified).

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by cm2187 »

mantap wrote: post #327
tomcam wrote: post #169

Those of you who think locking the account was a good idea should remember you won’t always be in the majority.

Do you think that fake news websites (websites that intentionally post falsehoods to drive traffic) should be allowed to post on social media with impunity? How is that workable? Many people cannot distinguish fake news from legitimate sources of information. Increasing noise (disinformation) is just as damaging to free speech as decreasing the signal (censorship).

Does that include CNN posting fake news stories about russian collusion and russian blackmailing for 3 years? The fact that the standard is meant to be applied only one side side means there is no standard.

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Post by vanattab »

brynjolf wrote: post #353
dcolkitt wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History has no shortage of horrific atrocities carried out by people with a genuine desire to remake a better world.

And vice versa, the side that has been Conservative continue to be on the wrong side of history over abs over again, yet never fail to say the other side is to blame. Gay rights Women rights Liberty Always one side saying let's wait a bit longer, let's listen to our lies for a bit longer.

You might want to look up which party was more supportive of the 19th amendment and check which party supported ending slavery.

"On May 21, 1919, the amendment passed the House 304 to 89, with 42 votes more than was necessary. On June 4, 1919, it was brought before the Senate and, after Southern Democrats abandoned a filibuster, 36 Republican Senators were joined by 20 Democrats to pass the amendment with 56 yeas, 25 nays, and 14 not voting."

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by tqi »

keiferski wrote: post #118

Honestly, I see this kind of action as good. The sooner the population at large realizes that Big Social aren't neutral players in the marketplace of ideas, the better. We need decentralized solutions, ASAP, and the only way that's going to happen is when normal people start caring.

Advocating for decentralization feels like presenting filter bubbles and echo chambers as a positive feature.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by syshum »

orf wrote: post #82
blhack wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. But that actually doesn't even damage the argument: would it be okay if Google decided that they didn't like NyPost's politics, so they disabled the functionality of all of their ne…

> Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. It's all of these, except private. It's a privately run notification/messaging/authentication/identity/verification service. Just one that is widely used. That doesn't make it "pu…

Really because many government organizations have taken to twitter/social media to be the official (and in some cases only) method of public alerting and notifications around emergencies, school closing, traffic alerts, and a wide range other topics.

So if I am not allowed to access twitter, or banned from the platform then I am being banned from participating in my local government

So if it not a public service, then public organizations (like police, fire, schools, etc) should be barred from using the service

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Post by hiram112 »

rhizome wrote: post #324
cjjuice wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

> Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor Why can't "we don't want this trash on our site" be the reason? It's "funny" how those who want to propagate banned material always cast themselves as some repressed group subject to the tyranny of government power. It can still be posted on Gab or Parler, right?

> Why can't "we don't want this trash on our site" be the reason?

That's a perfectly fine stance, and it has worked well for traditional publishers like the NY Times and Washington Post for decades. They control all their content, and publish exactly the narrative they want. OTOH, if NY Times publishes an OP Ed that slanders and doxes me, causes me to lose my job, etc. then I have the legal right to sue them. See for example the Covington Kid[1].

Facebook and Google want to have their cake and eat it too. They want free rein to pretend like they're just aggregating content, but this election shows that they are definitely using both AI and humans to control what's published. So why should they enjoy all the rights of both a "tech platform" and also a traditional publisher, with none of the responsibilities and liabilities?

Section 230 was crafted explicitly for tech. It can be modified or removed, too.

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=covington+kid+lawsuit

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by TigeriusKirk »

pwinnski wrote: post #366
TigeriusKirk wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people say "violating section 230," rather than correcting them it's more instructive to understand what they're trying to communicate. Usually it seems to be they're really saying "this shows section 230 is a bad idea." If we could move past the reflexive "well actually" there's a real issue people feel needs to be addressed.

It does reveal that there's an issue that bothers people, but I'm not sure it needs to be addressed beyond explaining that Section 230--or something just like it--is what gives us the free and open internet we enjoy today. Without it, there is likely no Hacker News, nor any other social media.

There certainly are more fine-grained solutions possible.

My believe is that if this is forced into a take it or leave it scenario, we're not going to like the outcome.

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